Thaumaturge needs more love

[AdvancedWind]

Thaumaturge is one of the best classes currently. Yeah, you did say "inb4 Dodore solo", but that's already a good demonstration of what the THM + CON combo is able to do.

Also, Thaumaturges are the best healers (Sacrifice > Cure, THM Cone can heal entire parties with good positioning), the best buffers once CON is leveled up (THM Cone once again for protect and shell, drain type moves + initiation), the best debuffers (and they do matter against strong mobs and NMS), the only class able to do 1.000 + dmg against anything in a matter of seconds (try chainspell + Shadowsear) and one of the easiest to repair weapons (95% of THM weapons are made by GLD, so you just need to level a single class to self repair).

There are some cons like the low dmg output outside of Shadowsear, the not so useful debuffs against regular mobs, the fact that drain type debuffs do little effect, and the lack of 40+ gear (feet and hand slots are capped at 39, highest weapon is 44....), but is still an above average class and IMO waaay better than conjurer.

[Cursive]

aoe cone > con's crappy circle you constantly have to keep moving.

chainspell-shadowsear destroys...1k+ crits

sac > cure (the regen is incredibly strong)

dots and debuffs

better gear (toadskin oven mitts, toadskin leggings and velveteen acton)

emulate (definitely getting nerfed)

really the only thing at the moment that a thm can't solo is the great buffalo...all other open world nms and faction leve nms are easily soloable.

[Rau]

THM is by far the most overpowered class in the game.

A class that can solo 3/6 of the NMs should be nerfed.

[killxo]

aoe cone > con's crappy circle you constantly have to keep moving.

chainspell-shadowsear destroys...1k+ crits

sac > cure (the regen is incredibly strong)

dots and debuffs

better gear (toadskin oven mitts, toadskin leggings and velveteen acton)

emulate (definitely getting nerfed)

really the only thing at the moment that a thm can't solo is the great buffalo...all other open world nms and faction leve nms are easily soloable.

in a realistic setting where the thm isnt tanking, emulate is never used. the "better gear" you come up with is really not much to boast for, as mp isnt really a big deal anymore with mp regen (also acton is worthless on thm, i use velveteen shirt because it gives piety)

where have you seen people getting 1k crits on nm's with shadowsear? from what i've messed around with, the mechanics that make shadowsear "do more dmg" are broken as i generally do 606 dmg when regardless of my hp and the mobs hp. and conj would use their nukes if only ancient magic wasnt also broken.

the conjurers in my ls dont have a problem with the aoe, mages all huddle together and pwn face the whole fight( or heal face)

THM is by far the most overpowered class in the game.

A class that can solo 3/6 of the NMs should be nerfed.

btw its not just thm, thm combined with conjurer. tho really faction nm's are weaksauce, tarbh uisge. i dont think i've seen any video of a thm/con trying to solo uraeus or the 2 other faction nm's. i would imagine uraeus's phys dmg making it hard to solo and the adds in the other faction nm's could also be difficult too.

[Chardrizard]

i have personally saw Dodore, Goblin, TarbhUisge, Broken Water faction NM solo videos.

i dont do much of treespeak faction, but if i recall correctly it was as easy as BW factions and if it has the same set of mob then its solo-able as well (but dont quote me on this one)

[pepesylvia]

yeah, its pretty much a wildly n00b thing to say that THM needs love. They can do just about everything.

[AdvancedWind]

Shadowsear's dmg calculation is not broken, that I am sure of.

It increases in power as your HP is lower, nothing else. Minimum damage is 606 at full life, max dmg is around 1200 something with critical. Maybe even more, as I don't recall a critical with very low life.

But there's also some other stuff to consider, such as resists (I've seen shadowsear hitting for as low as 151).

Also, I don't see the need to actually nerf THM, and I'm more for CON buffing for balance. The only thing I can see is increasing Shadowsear cast time (4 seconds is just too fast for something that strong) and maybe nerfing Emulate, which to be fair I don't even know how it works as I never use, but from what I've read in this thread, looks like a powerful tanking tool.

[BrusselSprout]

I fully expected to hate THM when I started, but I ended up loving it. The cone AOE is brilliant, it feels very natural to me. I think the debuff aspect of the class is underdeveloped and for every day use I don't even have them equipped. I would love it if THM was tweaked to be a buff/debuff specialist with a strong secondary towards healing.

I know that the THM abilities show that they are exactly what I described, but in practice it's not very practical to play that way.

[zaviermhigo]

THM does win over CONJ, it heals better than a CONJ can and it has higher defense than that paper mage lol. But its still a boring class, my dream was "master of enfeebles" but I've found enfeebles are sorta useless until you get to higher level faction leves and nms. PIE and leveling the umbral elements does help to stick enfeebles if anyone would like to know, I'm only level 39 and I stick most of my enfeebles on higher level nm leves.

[Ayaka]

THM is OP. It doesn't need more love.

Just go level any other job and see, also after that, bring some skills to use on your thm.