Yoshida-san: Please Give Us a BETTER System for Relics and Future 2.0 Challenges!

[Firon]

you do realize, that af2 armor on top of that, pretty much described militia/darklight and other drops you can get while getting seals


also, getting 9 seals vs gettign 100k whatever currency, is a HUGE difference in number requirements, say it all you want, getting that 5-10 currency per run vs all you actualy need(when split) is not "noticable progress" and if you look at groups pooling currency to 1 player, nothing stops people from doing that here either, so both examples are the EXACT SAME, with 14s being quicker and easier to get then 11s


going back to av/cc its the same deal with "other gear" that can drop, from ther the concern goes towards the seal drops which will still come quicker then the "how many years/months" itl take you to collect dynamis currency, you just seriously cant compare

First off you guys need to stop comparing these relics to xi's cause they are not even in the same field as FFXI Relics was OP and let you do things you could not normally do like soloing 2 IT mobs at the same time and deserve the time it took to obtain them. These AF(Relic) weapons are not even in the OP field, they just are random to obtain. I think the only onesdefending this system don't want to actually work for them they just want to luck out and finish it in a week or 2.


Vedis only thing you need to get thru your head it does not matter on the renter time only thing you need to know is XI's relic was an progression, and XIV AF weps are an roll of dice.

[Zezlar]

that may be the case with some, but im finding it very interesting that most drop rates people post, are in sets of 8

0/8, 0/16, and so on, so i can pretty much assume, and so can others, that even if you are telling the truth, several others are posting it as such where they are counting 1 run as a 0/8 drop

When I posted 0/56 that was 56 runs of actual effort (perhaps I should have put 1/56). That would be 448 chests total with only one drop (which was mine) so 1/448 individual chests.

I wouldn't have complained at all if we were 0/7. Lol.

[TheVedis]

When I posted 0/56 that was 56 runs of actual effort (perhaps I should have put 1/56). That would be 448 chests total with only one drop (which was mine) so 1/448 individual chests.

I wouldn't have complained at all if we were 0/7. Lol.

yeah, its just getting a little suspicious how everyone seems to post 0/multiple of 8 now though, getting to be a trend

and @Firon, the hamlet seals are not a roll of the dice, ive now seen 10 drop in 13 runs, ive heard others doing it getting tons of them too, sure they arent going as quickly as everyone wants since you gotta split that with 8 people, but it sure seems to be dropping at a healthy rate from the 60k chest to me

and i sure as hell am doing the work, im farming tons of items to get top 20, top 3 and so on
im taking the time to originzie events weekly

im doing alot of damn work so dont say im defending it cuz i dont want to work, im defending it cuz it sounds like others dont want to work, or even moreso, dont even understand whats really going ona nd are assuming its the most horrible drop rate chances in the game and arent even going to start it, and judge it thusly, without any first hand knowledge because of idiots on here who decide to majorly overexagerate everything they post

[Nero]

You are so wrong i created an dyna shell for my relic in one day, got 30 ppl to sign up in a few hrs of shouting.

Where comes all the naivete from? I said not everyone had a LS like that. If you had one or built it up, its good for you but again not everyone had that or was able to, or found people to do that.

99% of the ppl was fine with going into dyna trying to get AF armor and didn't really care about currency. Also there isn't a set price i could have paid, 180 mil while the other player paid 120 mil depends on how much you was willing to spend outside dyna Also you could trade 100 byne bills for an 100 byne bill or other way around so you did not have to grind for 100's from boss monsters.

Of course you could trade.. you also could have trade 100x100 for a 10.000, but whats your point? Where all those bynes are coming from? Either from buying them ( you need Gil ), getting them from Dyna ( Gil+Time ). It still was a "Rich Boy System" back in the day and Relics were not really for everyone ( i actually liked that ).

So where i am "so wrong"? Cause you were someone to build up a LS for your purpose while most people were not able to do that? Pretty much selfcentered and far away from the Basicpoint, dont you think?

Yet in Dynamis, you were given currency towards your goal each time, and AF2 armor to go on top of that. Point is, in FFXI, you didn't leave empty handed.

You dont leave in FFXIV Empty handed. AV/CC and Hamlet also drops Gear, but people tend to ingore that obviously.

[Elexia]

First off you guys need to stop comparing these relics to xi's cause they are not even in the same field FFXI Relics was OP and let you do things you could not normally do like soloing 2 IT mobs at the same time and deserve the time it took to obtain them.

My brother's Blue Mage can kill 24 IT mobs at a time. :|

These AF(Relic) weapons are not even in the OP field, they just are random to obtain

They're not AF, they're Relic weapons. Also, do you know how much the 'Enhance' effect is on the weapons to know if they're OP or not? Now as for the random to obtain"...so are you saying I can wake up tomorrow and obtain my Curtana and Holy Shield or Gae Bolg?

Otherwise..they're not random at all to obtain, it will take time much like FFXI's Relics took time. A better comparison would be Mythics, which takes time as well as a "random" chance given that you'll either get a coinpurse or not in salvage.

I think the only onesdefending this system don't want to actually work for them

25k Seals = Work.
Farming/Creating/Melding your weapon = Work (Sorry you don't get lucky leveling a craft to 50.)
Fighting Hamlet and accruing points = Work.

If anything, you can say the ones who are against this just want a handout. If you say that's incorrect, then it's also incorrect to say the ones "defending the system doesn't want to do work."

[TheVedis]

You dont leave in FFXIV Empty handed. AV/CC and Hamlet also drops Gear, but people tend to ingore that obviously.

people ignore this fact with a passion
and add to it that in 11, do you remember the rng involved in the relic drops there? it was probly worse then we have here except for the fact you have hundreds of mobs that can drop them, not just a chest

[Velhart]

you do realize, that af2 armor on top of that, pretty much described militia/darklight and other drops you can get while getting seals


also, getting 9 seals vs gettign 100k whatever currency, is a HUGE difference in number requirements, say it all you want, getting that 5-10 currency per run vs all you actualy need(when split) is not "noticable progress" and if you look at groups pooling currency to 1 player, nothing stops people from doing that here either, so both examples are the EXACT SAME, with 14s being quicker and easier to get then 11s


going back to av/cc its the same deal with "other gear" that can drop, from ther the concern goes towards the seal drops which will still come quicker then the "how many years/months" itl take you to collect dynamis currency, you just seriously cant compare

You completely miss the point. You are comparing "progress" to "luck". I don't want the best weapon in the game because I was lucky, I want it because I worked my ass off for it. I don't want to be 1/1 on an item when everyone else is 0/50 or 0/100, it isn't fair to the person who works just as hard to get the relic. What we were trying to say is that FFXI played an equal playing field for everyone, and had to gather a certain amount of currency to proceed.

Also. In the Dynamis shells I was in, someone sponsored it most of the time and took all the currency. Much better route to take if you were going for relic.

Also, can't compare AF2 to Militia/Darklight because it drops off mobs, not on a boss. And you really had to be unlucky if you didn't see 3-4 AF2 pieces drop. It may not be what you wanted, but something always dropped and someone wanted it (Unless it was Beastmaster, everyone and their mother's had full BST AF2 set in my LS. :P).

Sorry, along with Madruk i'm going to call Bullshit as well. This is not getting lucky one time. This is getting lucky 6 times in a row with a drop rate that is well below 5%. Unless your friend can provide proof of his in-game text chat for the quest then I can't believe this. Call me skeptical but based on our rates I think you're talking high water.

Also to TheVedis. The post I did about our drop rates is fact. I am the only one to have received a Mythril in 2 and a half days of constant raid spam. There is a chance that one of the Twelve direly HATES us but I doubt it. It's a crap drop rate, and it's not possible to trade the item.

He already said he was giving an example and it wasn't a person in particular he was talking about.

[Firon]

My brother's Blue Mage can kill 24 IT mobs at a time. :|



They're not AF, they're Relic weapons. Also, do you know how much the 'Enhance' effect is on the weapons to know if they're OP or not? Now as for the random to obtain"...so are you saying I can wake up tomorrow and obtain my Curtana and Holy Shield or Gae Bolg?

Otherwise..they're not random at all to obtain, it will take time much like FFXI's Relics took time. A better comparison would be Mythics, which takes time as well as a "random" chance given that you'll either get a coinpurse or not in salvage.



25k Seals = Work.
Farming/Creating/Melding your weapon = Work (Sorry you don't get lucky leveling a craft to 50.)
Fighting Hamlet and accruing points = Work.

If anything, you can say the ones who are against this just want a handout. If you say that's incorrect, then it's also incorrect to say the ones "defending the system doesn't want to do work."

No these are af weps they just decided to change the name to relics >_>. Good job FFXI Jebus for pointing out the one PART of the quest that's actually work. Yes you can wake up and get everything done in one day as long as the drops are random you can wake up get all that shit in one go. Like i said in a post wayy back in this thread in 1 day less than 2 hrs i went 1/1 triple meld, 5/5(3/5 of those was tier IV materia with +19 on the materia) on dbl melds no fails that's random just like this system is.

@ Vedis that's why the shit is Random, You got 10/13 and some ppl go 2/20, you sound like the idiots who say well i got my 7 ifrit weps in 40 kills i don't think the drop rate is bad at all. Like i said you guys just want to luck out to hope you get it done in a week or so.

[Dragon]

Isn't this what cause the whining to begin with...................... it's not casual friendly......? it takes years for casual? lol and now you want to add something to alieniate them? and if they can live with not everything in game in accessible, this thread won't appear.

Hardly.

Not everyone opposed to the current relic system is 'casual'.

On the other hand, I was being rhetorical anyways.

[Elexia]

No these are af weps they just decided to change the name to relics >_>. Good job FFXI Jebus for pointing out the one PART of the quest that's actually work. Yes you can wake up and get everything done in one day as long as the drops are random you can wake up get all that shit in one go.

By law of probability, those who didn't start on this in may should be near the ending point and waiting for their relic to be released by now, then.