Enforcement is in the toilet

[Carighan]

That'd be one of the effects giving movement speed based on other players, a common one that is easy to overlook depending on the ground is the Summoner Slipstream AoE.

Again, I'm not saying you didn't see anyone cheating. But based on the comments so far, I suspect a mere tiny tiny tiny fraction of people you think are cheating are actually cheating. They probably exist, sure. But the danger in calling anybody who you fail to kill or who kills you a cheater is that it also makes all cheat-reporting from you inherently doubtful, meaning that there's a good chance if you reported them ingame and a lot, then you're on some "low prio" queue in the support system by now as they know the vast majority of cheating you report is just normal functionality seen under high latency + bad server performance (i.e.: PvP).

I want to make it clear again, that doesn't mean you didn't see cheating. But for a rough rule of thumb (based on data from when I got to look at another PvP game's support system as part of my work), consider that ~0.1%-0.01% of the people you think you saw cheating are actually cheating, the rest is your perception. (of course I have no way of knowing whether the numbers in FFXIV are similar but this is just about explaining the mindset in self-evaluating what one sees)

Cheating in PVP would look different, anyways. It's not someone running too fast.

[Ankhira]

Also Ankhira did imply in a later post they knew Swift's 100% exists, regardless of whether a video exists, perhaps a benefit of the doubt pass could be granted. Not everyone is recording their every move, and a fair enough report would be "I did not notice the Swift buff on the enemy player or anything that could explain this increase in speed, therefore it felt quite suspicious to me" and away you go.

Thank you. Yeah, I know about Swift, I also know Paladins can't use Swift. As I said I'm aware of movement speed boost abilities, I'm not throwing out baseless claims. Just to make sure I didn't make a mistake, I just checked in game, Paladin has nothing besides Sprint to make it go faster, they were all on their own, nobody to dash to, yet they somehow ran faster than should be possible.

Perhaps I should have specifically noted "Paladin running faster than everyone else somehow."

Also, as you pointed out, I'm not recording my screen ever so like... I am not stupid, I know the difference between Swift, Sprint, dashes and whatever else is available in the game, but when I dash and get silenced within 0.001 seconds or get poly'd the second I ultimate in the middle of a massive teamfight it feels suspicious, not everyone is cheating, that's not what I'm claiming. But it's pretty obvious it's not as "rare" as people would claim.

Anyway, final edit: There's plenty of people using plugins who tweak the settings enough to not make it too obvious as Aido pointed out, someone setting a movement speed hack to be JUST slightly faster to not be too suspicious is more than possible. There's plenty of people using stuff like crafter plugins who just set the speed to be slower so its not too obvious they're not pressing buttons.

[Reimmi]

Don't worry about it, babe

How to make it obvious you're a botter and don't want attention drawn to you lol

[VigilantofStendarr]

Aye, this subject came up before in another recent topic about mods where if you saw two people in town mass-crafting, one using mods and the other not, how would one detect which one is cheating outside of them being dumb enough to leave their character sitting there doing it 24/7? It's been said before that people often automate content while "doing stuff in a 2nd monitor" which suggests they're still present when the automation is happening, and they stop when they log out, so when exactly would they be caught if by all accounts their activity doesn't set off the "usual" red flags? Hell, some of the stuff that gets automated doesn't even have any possible witnesses, like the supposed farming of accursed hoards.

What do you mean supposed? It is a literal plugin made for this purpose, and they cried about a ban wave a few months ago. Like it's genuinely bizarre why there's so much stubbornness at refusing to believe that there are bots doing these things. There's even a jump puzzle bot. Like you can literally just Google any of these and be corrected.

[VigilantofStendarr]

I don't make it a point to look up mods in the first place, I only go by what others tell me about because some people I know are a bit too open about some of the things they use (while seemingly not using others, or at least not admitting it even to me). But I say "supposed" because I don't know how much of the game is actually able to be automated due to how certain mechanics work.

You yourself said at one point that there are no mods for automating the Crucible for example, but you say there's one for jumping puzzles, but for all I knew trying to bot anything inside of a Deep Dungeon isn't as easy as botting something in say... a Field Operation, so I never really questioned the people running "bunny farms" while accursed hoarding sounded like it might be harder/too RNG dependent.

The accursed hoard bot is not sophisticated. It literally just goes into floor 11 of HoH, pop concealment, check if there's a hoard with intuition, use concealment, go to the intuition, then leave the duty and do this again and again with the same save file. The bots learned this from what achievement hunters do. No one else in this game does this stupid shit except for crazy achievement hunters and bots.

[VigilantofStendarr]

That'd be one of the effects giving movement speed based on other players, a common one that is easy to overlook depending on the ground is the Summoner Slipstream AoE.

Again, I'm not saying you didn't see anyone cheating. But based on the comments so far, I suspect a mere tiny tiny tiny fraction of people you think are cheating are actually cheating. They probably exist, sure. But the danger in calling anybody who you fail to kill or who kills you a cheater is that it also makes all cheat-reporting from you inherently doubtful, meaning that there's a good chance if you reported them ingame and a lot, then you're on some "low prio" queue in the support system by now as they know the vast majority of cheating you report is just normal functionality seen under high latency + bad server performance (i.e.: PvP).

I want to make it clear again, that doesn't mean you didn't see cheating. But for a rough rule of thumb (based on data from when I got to look at another PvP game's support system as part of my work), consider that ~0.1%-0.01% of the people you think you saw cheating are actually cheating, the rest is your perception. (of course I have no way of knowing whether the numbers in FFXIV are similar but this is just about explaining the mindset in self-evaluating what one sees)

Cheating in PVP would look different, anyways. It's not someone running too fast.

Dude it takes people months to be banned when they're literally flying in CC. I don't know how some people get so confident when they apparently have not even engaged in any content to notice all the obvious cheating/botting.

[Kaurhz]

Dude it takes people months to be banned when they're literally flying in CC. I don't know how some people get so confident when they apparently have not even engaged in any content to notice all the obvious cheating/botting.

Wasn't there some dude literally streaming it like 5-6 months back?

[VigilantofStendarr]

Wasn't there some dude literally streaming it like 5-6 months back?

Yeah exactly, guy was even streaming it and wasn't banned for months

[AngryLion]

Ban the bots aggressively. They cannot buy the game forever.

[SticksToFloors]

Do people in this thread not know about the buff on the map that gives you speed? Like the pop that you can pick up? I've played enough competitive games to know people crying cheater are just sore losers lol. I don't even know why you would cheat in CC, how many people are really grinding out that achievement that way. Be serious friends.