Why is the FF14 Community So Adverse to Banter?

[CNitsah]

So...if you were at FanFest, playing a duty on one of the computers set up for convention-goers, and you died, and a girl behind you jokingly said, “Sit,” and laughed, you would get legitimately upset with her?

I love how you conveniently ignore the whole "If your answer is anywhere between "he would be pissed" and" and just focused on the "he would hit me in the face". Obviously the reaction would obviously change from one person to another because... different people react differently. Some might be more impulsive and hit the person, other would just be pissed and say nothing.

To answer your hypothetical scenario, I would probably ignore her or make a remark in the line of "do I look like your dog", in tone that clearly indicate she can keep her joke to herself.

[JohnLakeside]

I love how you conveniently ignore the whole "If your answer is anywhere between "he would be pissed" and" and just focused on the "he would hit me in the face". Obviously the reaction would obviously change from one person to another because... different people react differently. Some might be more impulsive and hit the person, other would just be pissed and say nothing.

To answer your hypothetical scenario, I would probably ignore her or make a remark in the line of "do I look like your dog", in tone that clearly indicate she can keep her joke to herself.

No, I didn't conveniently ignore anything, that's why I asked "would you be legitimately upset with her." But okay, so you would be upset. Interesting! I play a bit of pickup basketball and way rougher talk is pretty commonplace, but its all jokes and competitive bants at the end of the day for us. No hurt feelings. To each their own I suppose

[VeyaAkemi]

So...if you were at FanFest, playing a duty on one of the computers set up for convention-goers, and you died, and a girl behind you jokingly said, “Sit,” and laughed, you would get legitimately upset with her/hit her?

I'd be annoyed at the comment and give her a glare, if she kept repeating it, then that would upset me, and I'd tell her that just because she's a bitch doesn't mean I am a dog too.

[Aidorouge]

It's also important to keep in mind that the proliferation of "chat tools" (in general, even though as of right now Discord is of course by far the dominant one in gaming space) inherently reduces the amount of chat and banter in MMORPGs.

Back in the EverQuest days, in a lot of ways, EQ1 was a very, very elaborate minigame we all played together while socializing. But we needed EverQuest to socialize in the first place, IRC chatrooms existed but weren't the same form of getting to know strangers. It was our chatroom, and we happily engaged with it, that we all played together gave us a shared motivation but it wasn't the main one. This is also why older MMOs got away with being so tedious and requiring so much time and organization and communication, because we wanted to organize and communicate anyways.

Nowadays a combination of readily available chat tools, everyone being online 24/7 anyways and the sheer amount of players results in a lack of a need for this. Everyone can already talk to whoever they'd desire to, and can easily find new people to talk to if desired, too. The need for an MMORPG as a socialization tool is just no longer a thing.

I've said before that these days Discord is the actual main program and FF14 is the third-party app that people just happen to have opened in another window/monitor/alt-tabbed.

Ironically, Discord was allegedly made by an FF14 player WITH FF14 in mind to expand its communication options. And it more than succeeded, it practically eclipsed the very game it was designed around to the point that its own in-game chat functions are all but inert outside of shout spam for hunt trains and RP adverts (and there's Discords for those too).

Admittedly, an argument could be made that FF14's own in-game social tools are lacking in some form or another. Linkshells are finite in how many people can belong to one along with server restrictions, free companies often feel like you're just there to generate company credits for the leader/officers submarine farms, and how many people even know that fellowships exists much less belong to one? Even Novice Network is "invite only" and its easy to be kicked from it, despite some people's attempt to use it as a type of "world chat".

[CCheshire]

Idk, I've encountered way more rude and unpleasant people in FF14 than Old School Runescape. I'm a POC and yes OSRS probably does have more overtly bigoted people in chat, but thats usually shut down quick and ignored.

I'll give an example of the specific type of rudeness that I see quite often in FF14.

I was doing FATEs in the DT zones a few days ago and I stumbled upon another RDM doing the same FATE. I said, "Change classes lil bro. There can only be one RDM in this town." Harmless imo. The person responded "Kindly f*** off. I'm not interested." I'm not offended by them not wanting to talk or vibe, but it is concerning that that sort of reaction is not uncommon. Idk if they were a girl who thought I was flirting or what, but like...I can't recall ever getting that sort of reaction in OSRS. And if she did think I was flirting, then that points to another problem in the community. That is, the e-dating culture. And it is definitely NOT the bro-ish players doing the e-dating lol. We're just out here for poops and giggles and vibemaxxing. I just think FF14's social climate is terrible for the health of the game. FF14 does have a bad reputation due to its community and I genuinely feel like that is a hindrance to potential players joining. Whenever I'm at Gemstone Crab in OSRS, I try to get people to try FF14 and I often get people saying they think FF14 is a game for softies and no-fun havers. That is our actual reputation.

Is your GF from canada too? Also, I see OP is just trolling here in the end, so there's no point in saying this is p rude to your fellow players as their first impression is negative. The other possibility is that he's just very young and unaware of social norms, esp online with adults who will block, report, and move on.

[0blivion]

The other possibility is that he's just very young and unaware of social norms, esp online with adults who will block, report, and move on.

I kind of forgot that there's people playing old school Runescape who haven't played it and/or were too young when it was relevant. Then again, with the angle OP is going for, I suspect trolling. Hell, Titanmen even joked about OP copying his talking points.

[FateHollow]

Mentally ill people play this game and are the most out spoken. You can be reported for using a few emotes or saying hi to someone and because of the crazies being trigger happy with reports its fostered an environment where everyone is anti social or only talks in their groups. Ive seen players block people over disliking a dye. Its very petty and head sick.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

[…]I was doing FATEs in the DT zones a few days ago and I stumbled upon another RDM doing the same FATE. I said, "Change classes lil bro. There can only be one RDM in this town." Harmless imo. The person responded "Kindly f*** off. I'm not interested."[…]

You have given couple more examples in the past few pages but they all have one common factor that only strengthens my point: you made an assumption of a person who barely even known about. Not everyone you see in gaming and/or competitive space is your ‘typical bro’-kind of individual. It’s never up to you how strangers would react to your ‘banter’ pick-ups.

[Astronis]

No, I didn't conveniently ignore anything, that's why I asked "would you be legitimately upset with her." But okay, so you would be upset. Interesting! I play a bit of pickup basketball and way rougher talk is pretty commonplace, but its all jokes and competitive bants at the end of the day for us. No hurt feelings. To each their own I suppose

It really is just that. I mean...I'd not react that well at all to a total stranger coming up to me and shit talking me at a FanFest. But, someone I know well, yelling, "You WHORE!!!" over voice chat when I fucked up in some ludicrous way and wiped the whole party? I couldn't stop laughing. You just better never say something like that to me if you DON'T know me!

[AnnRam]

Rule number one in FFXIV : Never use ingame chat, anything but literally anything including the simple word " silly/dumb"stupid" its enough to ban your account.

So nope, FFXIV isn't a good place to meet people.