Why is the FF14 Community So Adverse to Banter?

[JohnLakeside]

What are we doing here and was this a cry for attention post, op? Also, I wouldn't spam nonsense to total strangers into reading chat for no reason, esp in ARs where it's already tedious to clear them, along with being distracted is a fast way to dying because they're so hectic.

Everyone has fun in their own ways. The mute button is free! I know some people enjoy them because I often get comms even as RezMage.

[Wolf_Heartnet]

Simple reason people are against socializing in this game is because TOS has alot of weasel words where they can punish u based on "feelings" and when you are punished, they dont tell you what rules you broke and why because they want to keep things ambiguous to maintain flexibility. Its a terrible system as people can easily bait you into saying something that will get you punished/banned. So what people do is talk within inner circles like fc/linkshells/tells/discord. In certain cases, mods dont even care about context such as saying "F*** YES!" when u achieve or get something u wanted will get u warned/banned if someone reports u.

Also, harsher game enviorments brings community closer together while easier game enviorments take people apart. Example, if you can solo anything, why get other people and wait on them? Then u get harsher enviorments like ff11 (back when i played before all the easy stuff) u needed groups for just about everything and traveling alone in the world wasnt so easy so u had to socialize more.

[Aidorouge]

Probably because socializing in this game is caught between "everything you say can and WILL be used against you" and "everyone doesn't actually want to deal with anyone else". The game is safest when staying quiet and keeping your head down because you never know who is going to rip into you or report you.

Mind you, this isn't a unique phenomenon to FF14. Having gone back to play SWTOR again, similar attitudes abound, and I don't doubt that its the same for most MMOs these days (assuming one can still call them MMOs at all).

[BigCheez]

someone says something as simple as "I don't like discord" and you get all "omg you self rightous &%$^" yet you sit here wanting to tell the rest of us we have our heads up our rears and have no self awareness about being the problem? Intraspection begins at home, try it sometime lol

I mentioned Discord once about 5 posts ago. Why are you bringing it up now? What does it have to do with the post that you're responding to? And more importantly - why does everything always come back to Discord with you people? I can't... lmfao

[VeyaAkemi]

i got op in an alliance raid one time and they spent the entire time spamming shit about their (ex?) girlfriend or something. to say nothing of how they're just another one of the terminally online weirdos who frequently haunt ul'dah's shout chat.

small wonder why no one wants to interact with them.

If it's like that I don't blame anyone who doesn't want to talk to OP...

Everyone has fun in their own ways. The mute button is free! I know some people enjoy them because I often get comms even as RezMage.

>has over the top macros
>"if you don't like it mute me!"
>people don't respond to you
>"why is everyone so adverse to banter?"

Brother, which is it...

[Miradelle]

The people who are so sensitive and start drama over nothing are as insufferable as the people here calling everyone mentally ill and socially awkward.

[ThreeBeastSmile]

I think the lack of more public in-game chat portals might be contributing to that claptrap nature tbh. I know I definitely lament the lack of them, the hot-join sorts you don't need an invitation for. Whether you'd read them or not, participation is optional after all... I don't think that needs to be said but you never know, anyway, I find them to be a useful tool to gauge certain personalities at a distance. In older MMOs, a lot of those I'd run into in content would be someone I'd have seen chatting in an open channel, so I'd have at least a partial picture of what to expect. I liked having that opportunity to scout. I hate the way that high end content works in the same manner as submitting a CV, you don't actually know what the people are like, and for me... knowing if I'd get on with someone is slightly more important than what they can put out (provided they're not too unreliable). Putting several "thoroughbred" players blindly together isn't bound for success, and quite often there'd be massive clashes.

I'm therefore of the opinion it's the big blank area in the game's open plan socializing that makes things unnecessarily strained, that many are more inclined to speak only with their pre-established Discord tribes or similar, and at worst, treat those outside of them like lepers.

I must say, when I was more amenable to random discourse in this game, I didn't have all that many hairy situations. Could be as quirky as I dared, would always find a way to twist things around. I can recall one incident where a homophobic sentiment was spat in my direction for one emote, and another... well, there was one person who shrank away from my custom emoting at them and iirc said they'd report me if I persisted, so all I had to do was relent. End of story. No problems. The rest of my overworld or throwaway content interactions were fine. Cheeky, innocuous or otherwise, even if I was the initiator in most of them. It does take more effort in here though, especially to get to some more natural and original material.

[JohnLakeside]

If it's like that I don't blame anyone who doesn't want to talk to OP...



>has over the top macros
>"if you don't like it mute me!"
>people don't respond to you
>"why is everyone so adverse to banter?"

Brother, which is it...

I said the mute button is free because if someone is upset due to my macros, they can always mute me

I personally enjoy seeing macros, even the obnoxious ones. And I like seeing other dudes vent about their irl relationships. Sure beats seeing people talk about their e-dating issues.

Also, I started this thread not because people don't respond to me. Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't. My main issue is that it is so exceedingly rare to happen upon people bantering with each other. We must all do our MMORPG civic duty of populating the world with chatter.

Edit: Now that I think about it, Rez Macros can be seen as like a variation or within the same spirit of saying "sit lol" when someone dies. Maybe thats why I like seeing people use them.

[Yuella]

Wouldn't being sensitive to other people being sensitive mean you're no better than them?

[Regis_Paran]

People keep saying "read the room." My question is: Why is the room so prickly? Never online or IRL have I experienced a community as prickly as FF14's.

I can't talk about anyone else, but in my case i wouldn't call it "prickly". You don't offend me. I just don't find this kind of "banter" funny or interesting. I wouldn't interact with a random stranger acting like this irl. Why would I do it here?