Tank split MT and OT - Why can't tank jobs just choose if they want to MT/OT?

[Eesh]

For how long, though? Sooner or later they will sunset a mode. This is evidenced by the new classes not getting reborn mode. A company that always talks about limited resources keeping two different battle modes and balancing both wouldn't last longer than a single expac.

This I believe is a fair response but doesn't address my prior point. It's just something I threw in because I knew there'd be some diehard holdouts on doing both on the fly.

I'm just not using that one screenshot with jobs seemingly arbitrarily slapped with titles as the final word on the matter and trying to look a bit further.

Literally this discourse comes from a single screenshot.

[Grimr]

you know a few expansions ago they had tanks with tank mode and dps mode. They got rid of it and yet here we are again....

[Supersnow845]

This is the third time they have official trialed MT and OT split (HW, ShB and EC) and both times they tried it previously one time (ShB) they dumped it after one patch the other one (HW) led to such a messy distribution of tank power it’s still the primary boogieman people use for increase job diversity

I’m not hopeful

[Asari5]

its a game in which you can play all jobs on one character. i always wanted them to make more use of that. switch between jobs depending what you wanna do instead of making all jobs great at everything which makes them eventually more similar to each other.

i like it.

[Kisshu]

We used to have stigma where certain tanks were socially considered the main tank, depending on the expansion. So it's not like this stigma hasn't existed in the past. SE is creating this stigma because of knowing that it has existed previously.

Still, even then, you'd have outliers, and I don't think people actually care enough if you break this stigma, at least in a PF. If you have two OTs in the party, then nobody loses out. Only PLD loses out (as far as we know) if they don't MT due to less counterattacks, but maybe we can solve it with Cover.

From the look of it, the Holy Sheltron keeps the 4 and 8 second buffs. If you're hit during the 4 second buff you get the strong counter, if it's not in the 4 second buff you get the weaker version. And you can proc it from any raid wipe, but being the MT does let you proc it more often from autos and single target attacks.

[Zarkovitch]

Imagine being raid leader in 8.0. Already healers are hard to get but now tanks will be added to list finding MT or OT because square enix gamble.What if the new tank aint that good to play or feel weak or boring. Congrats you only have pld as MT. Then Pld are few numbers compare to war/gbn/drk players. God Bless im not dealing with this garbage due im not raid leading after dawntrail.

[Themarvin]

No that would be horrible. I like two tanks.

Why? So can cover more behind the MT, in my opinion it is the piggyback job in FFXIV,

[Supersnow845]

Why? So can cover more behind the MT, in my opinion it is the piggyback job in FFXIV,

To be fair that’s because they won’t give OT responsibility, not because they need to define OT as its own role

Like the OT used to be an actual job; remember the bird in E5 or the second dragon in O10. You don’t have to make OT its own sub role you just have to actually make the OT do something that isn’t share invuln CD’s

[Reimmi]

I don't think it'll matter much, considering paladin didn't lose passage of arms and divine veil, or intervention, it'll clearly still be a insane off tank. Why would they have all of that if war/drk/gnb are the "off tanks" that protect the party?

[Terhix]

I mean this is functionally similar to TBN when you think about it.

I've seen people say that, but with exception of storing dark arts for an extra edge into 2min burst (which is going away anyway), DRK doesn't have to use TBN at all to do optimal dps, where as new PLD must use Sheltron to do optimal dps.