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    Quote Originally Posted by Uzephi View Post
    It would be wise to check further back and understand the post you're replying to. There was a time when mana management was really a thing. Needing a certain amount of piety to have the mana for fights. In this game. Maybe you don't remember because either you joined later and misunderstood the first sentence of my post or just don't care and wanted to pick a target to troll and vent your frustration on this topic towards. Either way, IDC. I know this game hates healers, its why I don't heal for anyone but close friends. Only DF/PF as DPS or tank. Your replies also prove this to be true. You totally hate people who want to heal. You just want them to be good little glarebots.
    Also it doesn't change the fact that this whole thread is pathetic and cringe being titled "shame of you Mr Yoshida."

    What I'm saying is the game doesn't need to change its design philosophy of every job is a dps to suit you because those games exist elsewhere. Its beyond entitled.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kohashi View Post
    None because you are playing DPS.
    Go look at that spoiler that Osborne posted and tell me what the most casted spell is in that list(Hint: There's nothing to heal).

    Spoiler Alert: If you chose Glare, Dosis, Malefic, or Broil, you're 100% Correct.

    This is why we literally are pushing for more things for the Healers to do with this thread. Adding damage might not always be the answer, but to not make a job boring it sure is a way to fix engagement; and I remember someone saying that they bumped healing up only to screw it over by giving Tanks better self-healing options; which led to things being the same. If they bump up damage again, they have to be mindful of DPS HP Profiles and Defense, and make sure Tanks aren't getting even stronger tools to erase the Healer Role entirely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ser_Arven View Post
    Also it doesn't change the fact that this whole thread is pathetic and cringe being titled "shame of you Mr Yoshida."

    What I'm saying is the game doesn't need to change its design philosophy of every job is a dps to suit you because those games exist elsewhere. Its beyond entitled.
    Entitled...

    I wonder why it's thrown around so much when Tanks currently are entitled to their abilities literally making an entire role feel worthless in dungeons other than being a babysitter 90% of the time. If every job is a DPS, then why do Healers have so much healing buttons to the point we don't use 75% of them in dungeons? People would like to know your entitled opinion if you really don't think the game needs to change.
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  4. #174
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    As a tank main. What I am saying is that tanks should not lose their self sustain or have it lowered because its completely unfair when we die to tank busters because a healer don't got it.

    Also once again self sustain is balanced for high end and there is no way just to nerf it so you have to hit holy less in dungeons.
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  5. #175
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    Quote Originally Posted by HyperiusUltima View Post
    Entitled...

    I wonder why it's thrown around so much when Tanks currently are entitled to their abilities literally making an entire role feel worthless in dungeons other than being a babysitter 90% of the time. If every job is a DPS, then why do Healers have so much healing buttons to the point we don't use 75% of them in dungeons? People would like to know your entitled opinion if you really don't think the game needs to change.
    Because its NORMAL CONTENT. If you want to heal more do harder content. You are literally talking about content that is designed for anyone to do so of course tanks have high sustainability to make up for the healer who is watching netflix on the side and not hitting buttons
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  6. #176
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ser_Arven View Post
    As a tank main. What I am saying is that tanks should not lose their self sustain or have it lowered because its completely unfair when we die to tank busters because a healer don't got it.

    Also once again self sustain is balanced for high end and there is no way just to nerf it so you have to hit holy less in dungeons.
    So you're saying they should not lose their self-sustain because it's unfair when you die to a tank buster? You know...the thing that your entire job is to do? If the Healer isn't paying attention, then that's a skill issue purported by the current problem: Healers don't know what their healing buttons are because they don't get to use them.

    PLD? WAR? DRK? GNB? There's really no difference aside from skill in that sense. Self Sustain may be balanced for high-end, but considering a majority of the game is casual content, it'd make more sense to at least make that casual content *not* braindead for one role to the point they don't have to do their job. As I said before, we could easily up the damage if they watch DPS HP Profiles.

    Would you like me to regurgitate Raw Intuition and Bloodwhetting? Because your Tank Entitlement is showing that you don't care about your fellow support role.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ser_Arven View Post
    There is content in this game where healers worry about piety. There are piety sets made for ultimate prog for example and they are definitely needed at first.

    Some healers struggled in FRU because they were using parsing bis which used a crafted ring to avoid piety and they and the party were melting.

    The content is there, its just not the content you want to do.
    Eh the healers you were with were just not that great. I cleared Fru with minimal piety and same goes for savage as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maltothoris View Post
    Eh the healers you were with were just not that great. I cleared Fru with minimal piety and same goes for savage as well.
    PF man. FRU had some wild PF healers
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  9. #179
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ser_Arven View Post
    Because its NORMAL CONTENT. If you want to heal more do harder content. You are literally talking about content that is designed for anyone to do so of course tanks have high sustainability to make up for the healer who is watching netflix on the side and not hitting buttons
    Ah yes. Another person who uses the "Go play Ultimate" argument. A good way to get blocked and have your arguments ignored in a thread about Healers and their entire role's identity crisis.
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    Eh still piety is just a deadweight stat. Look at all the fru bis sheets.

    FOr Sge https://xivgear.app/?page=sl|326bbcc...7-c608eeba192e

    For Sch https://xivgear.app/?page=sl%7c6bb5f...0-9b50b80e900e

    For Whm oh look https://xivgear.app/?page=sl|b170c30...7-fc87ec0195d8

    Piety stat gain is the 3rd worst of all the stat for such a measly gain of 1 extra mp per 18/19 piety on materia.
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