New Variant Dungeon: Reward structure is a downgrade from previous ones.

[ReynTime]

OK... Come at me but I don't disagree with the person who talks about rewards proportional to the challenge it takes. That's how literally 99% of video games do it. Whether you think most players care or don't care that someone achieved something in the game is irrelevant. But that's besides the point...

I don't even know what could possibly explain this new blunder. This has got to be the most tone deaf response to player feedback I've seen in this game since the beginning of ARR...

[Absurdity]

OK... Come at me but I don't disagree with the person who talks about rewards proportional to the challenge it takes. That's how literally 99% of video games do it. Whether you think most players care or don't care that someone achieved something in the game is irrelevant. But that's besides the point...

I don't even know what could possibly explain this new blunder. This has got to be the most tone deaf response to player feedback I've seen in this game since the beginning of ARR...

I don't necessarily disagree with that stance either, the rewards are what garners initial interest in content since you can't know right away whether it's actually enjoyable or not and the more challenging content usually needs more enticing rewards due to the assumed investment required to complete it. But where I disagree with the poster is that it's simply not the case here.

Discovering all 12 different routes is a reasonable time investment for the mount, and precedent has been set with all previous iterations of variant, devaluing that time investment is not the way to go about it. While the actual challenging content didn't get any of the changes people asked for, so you're not even rewarded "proportional to the challenge".

[Evvss55]

Yeah, removing the mount from the all paths achievement is really, really disappointing. I probably will still try Advanced if I can gather some friends for it, but I really enjoyed working towards those old Variant mounts, both with friends and alone. I always thought doing a solo run of Variant here and there was a fun way to spend some time if I didn't have anything else to do.
I'll probably still end up doing it, I guess, but I'm not gonna be excited for the final reward. Whereas before, completing all Variant routes had value both in its journey and destination, now it's only the former which offers any value. Really tragic.

[TaleraRistain]

Why in the world would they make the reward for all paths a glamour item instead of a mount? They already had established the reward for all paths was a mount. This is just dumb.

[Kirutsuki]

Why in the world would they make the reward for all paths a glamour item instead of a mount? They already had established the reward for all paths was a mount. This is just dumb.

Speak nothing of the fact that facewear is HIGHLY individual preference.

[Mouthbone]

Rewards like this are usually relegated to sub loot
I cant imagine that too much effort is used to add facewear for an existing model (not even a new one, or relevant to the duty), so you cant even excuse it as development time
Why is the expansion with "50% more rewards" giving us rewards like that?

[TaleraRistain]

Speak nothing of the fact that facewear is HIGHLY individual preference.

They could easily offer that where they offered glam before, purchasable with the potsherd currency. Or could even have made it drop out of the spoils boxes. Going through three other Variants and making the path reward a mount and then going to not a mount for the new Variant is as dumb as that glam item they offered for getting 90 in all classes when Shadowbringers gave the amaro. And they went back to a mount for all 100 in Dawntrail.

[Pricia]

Even worse than I thought too, as they also removed the hairstyle and the framer's kit from prizes formerly buyable with potsherds.

It really sucks to be a casual player in this game.

[Hanzz96]

I totally agree that the normal mode needed a mount or an exclusive glam that wasn't an eye mask for the casuals.

But at the same time if they were just a little bit willing to engage in content and try the advance version which is only the middle difficulty where you can die and be raised then they can now grind the aloalo weapons which are some of the best in the game.

I understand that casual believe that raiders get everything but making the alalo weapons available to the equivalent of an extreme level difficulty is literally taking away an achievement and a point of pride for raiders who did alalo for the exclusive weapons all for giving casuals who even try the slightly harder version a way to farm something that was previously only for hardcore raiders. I really encourage people to try advance and enjoy what is no longer exclusive.

Even then raiding rewards havent been fantastic. We have our usual ultimate weapons but ultis can take 100 hours plus to clear and that makes sense. Savage best in slot is the MINIMUM requirement to even be allowed into the ultimate and its not very fun to farm in PF when your RNG sucks. It definitely isn't all fun and gear and rewards.

Chaotic and I know I will get a lot of heat for saying this is only ex level and is for everyone. It has great rewards but they really aren't gatekept with just a little motivation. Quantum only gave a title. The latest ex I killed over 200 times and didn't get the mount.

My point is it kinda sucks for all right now raiders included but raiders lost a lot more exclusive stuff than they gained with this new content.

[Mouthbone]

But at the same time if they were just a little bit willing to engage in content and try the advance version which is only the middle difficulty where you can die and be raised then they can now grind the aloalo weapons which are some of the best in the game.

I understand that casual believe that raiders get everything but making the alalo weapons available to the equivalent of an extreme level difficulty is literally taking away an achievement and a point of pride for raiders who did alalo for the exclusive weapons all for giving casuals who even try the slightly harder version a way to farm something that was previously only for hardcore raiders. I really encourage people to try advance and enjoy what is no longer exclusive.

This is wrong, you aren't actually able to use your esters unless you have beaten Aloalo Savage
So for the casuals to get access to the glow they need to do a completely separate and much harder duty, which is even more stupid

Also complaining about raiders losing exclusivity is kind of ridiculous, do you also lose sleep once last expac savage fights can be unsynced by the casuals?
This is their way (however nonsensical it may be) to introduce a way for casuals to "unsync" Aloalo without being able to get the exclusive title, it should not even be a talking point