Feral Fandom cutscene confusion

[0blivion]

found the guy who has zero friends using more than one set of pronouns

no, this is not a problem.

[Astronis]

found the guy who has zero friends using more than one set of pronouns

no, this is not a problem.

Ironic coming from the guy who's constantly complaining about the English localization. The ideology trap I set did catch one, though. So thanks for making it clear WHY people are OK with the crappy grammar, that it's not because they think it's actually good grammar or a good localization.

Let me be clear: It's perfectly fine to break the rules of a language when you speak of your friends if they want you to. It's not fine to insist that fundamental rules shared by dozens of languages don't exist because of your friends. Grammatical gender is a real thing and being consistent with it is not optional for good, general writing.

[Eriyu]

I noticed this too! It was clear to me that Metem was talking about the WoL, but the switch to "they" did strike me as odd and unnatural-sounding.

(Also reminder not to feed the trolls...)

[Brandr]

Such a pedantic topic... No wonder the devs, and Japan in general, don't take the Western world seriously. And this is another proof they're right.

Such a waste of forum space just like the topic about the lyrics being "impure".

[Astronis]

Such a pedantic topic...

"Rules on Posting in this Forum:
The following is a sample of content suitable for this forum:
- English bugs (grammar, spelling, etc.)"

Quite literally what this forum is for. It wouldn't exist if SE didn't want 'bug reports' on the English localization.

(Also reminder not to feed the trolls...)

I will bash everyone over the head with a Strunk and White until morale improves

[Brandr]

As already said, grammar is correct.

"They" is a gender neutral pronoun.
Unless it offends you manly towering phallic "secure" masculinity, it's completely fine being used in any context.
Besides, the character, Metem, calls the Warrior of Light, all the time with "they" during the fights.

[Astronis]

As already said, grammar is correct.

As already said, the grammar is incorrect.

Gender disagreement (tense disagreement, case disagreement) doesn't suddenly become grammatically correct just because of your ideology.

"They" is a gender neutral pronoun.

"They" is the third person plural neuter pronoun that is sometimes used as a singular. Subtle difference, but largely correct.

Unless it offends you manly towering phallic "secure" masculinity,

Gosh aren't we making all kinds of completely unwarranted assumptions today! Very sexist. (Also, an hour and a half later, I'm still giggling over this, so thanks for the laugh, I'm filing this away forever.)

it's completely fine being used in any context.

It is not fine when it's being mixed together with a masculine or feminine third person singular to refer to the same noun, no. The neuter gender may be very large in English, but it isn't all-encompassing.

Besides, the character, Metem, calls the Warrior of Light, all the time with "they" during the fights.

He does, presumably because it's voiced--but you'll note I'm not bringing it up, because in THAT case it's CONSISTENT--Metem doesn't switch to "he" in one sentence then use "it" or "she" or "they" in the next during the fights. (Not only that, there's the possibility in some of those statements that Metem is talking about multiple people--it'd actually be kind of insane for the devs to program all the needed variations!)

*continues the bashing of heads with Strunk and White*

[Brandr]

As already said, the grammar is incorrect.

Gender disagreement (tense disagreement, case disagreement) doesn't suddenly become grammatically correct just because of your ideology.
(...)
"They" is the third person plural neuter pronoun that is sometimes used as a singular. Subtle difference, but largely correct.

Your towering muscular hard boiled very "assured" straightness needs to study a little.

Here are some links to help you on your growing and mind cultivation.

https://apastyle.apa.org/style-gramm.../singular-they

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dic...y/english/they

Bet you didn't even consulted the dictionary before starting this whole conversation about grammar.

[Astronis]

Your towering muscular hard boiled very "assured" straightness

*cackles*

needs to study a little.

I know all about singular they. BEHOLD!:

... the third person singular masculine pronoun to refer to a noun in one sentence and then in the next use a third person neuter plural (which can and often is used as a singular)...

"They" is the third person plural neuter pronoun that is sometimes used as a singular.

Now, perhaps you can go address the actual criticism I have about the grammar rather than the one you've convinced yourself I've been making!

[Brandr]

Who is "they" in this sentence? The WoL? Eutrope, her sister, and Black Cat? The WoL and Black Cat? Either there needs to be a sentence describing who "they" are, or "they" needs to be changed to "he/she".

Your criticism was already answered, your dying alone on that hill.

“…Forename has climbed his way up the ranks….”
“Should this upstart rise to become grand champion….” is still talking about the PC.

“They” clearly refers to the PC and no clarification is needed. Singular “they” has been in common use about 300 years longer than singular “you”, and the lack of gendering pronoun here is not a problem, even if in the previous line they used a gendered pronoun.

As shown, the English dictionary clearly states singular they exists:
"used to refer to a person whose gender is not known or does not need to be mentioned".

If you don't accept this truth, you're absolutely a fanatical, is part of a cult and needs professional help.