"You pull, you tank" is a bad mentality

[VeyaAkemi]

It does not take "2-3 GCDs" to take aggro back what are you on about, you don't even need a full single GCD you just can't give less than one, Tank enmity generation in XIV is absurd, I had a lot of situations where I had a couple hits of Reawaken after a boss, decided to spend them during the run as to not let them expire, and 3 hits of Reawaken were still not enough to take aggro from one AoE GCD of a Tank, I agree that DPS running on the opposite direction from you is frustrating, but even then, where are they running off to? dungeons are flashy hallways, they are either running towards you, or towards the wall, and if they do run towards the wall, that's the direction you are supposed to go anyway, why does it matter if you are doing it before or after the mobs?

[AmiableApkallu]

It is one thing complaining that some tanks are slow and another giving credence that DPS should be the ones dictating the pace.

Spoiler: The DPS get a say in the pace. If they don't know or choose not to avail themselves of their rotations, or keep dying to mechanics, pulls will take more time. If they're S-tier gods, pulls will take less time. The tank does not magically control their performance (unless the tank is being petty and intentionally not grouping the trash properly for AoEs).

[Supersnow845]

I’ll never understand why people seem to offended to consider that DPS should get a say in the pacing but then turn around and act like it’s totally normal that tanks should wholly control the pace and not see the problem

Like if we are being really technical based on how the roles interact the healer should actually set the pace as they are the one who’s job actually changes based on pull size but you don’t see healers out there scoffing at the mere mention of someone else controlling the pace

[Asari5]

i mean... wouldnt it be alright for a dps to only use single target skills? their job is to deal dmg. and single target skills deal dmg too.
would be horrible for the pacing though

[syldon]

It does not take "2-3 GCDs" to take aggro back what are you on about, you don't even need a full single GCD you just can't give less than one, Tank enmity generation in XIV is absurd, I had a lot of situations where I had a couple hits of Reawaken after a boss, decided to spend them during the run as to not let them expire, and 3 hits of Reawaken were still not enough to take aggro from one AoE GCD of a Tank, I agree that DPS running on the opposite direction from you is frustrating, but even then, where are they running off to? dungeons are flashy hallways, they are either running towards you, or towards the wall, and if they do run towards the wall, that's the direction you are supposed to go anyway, why does it matter if you are doing it before or after the mobs?

It takes 2-3 GCDs if the mobs get spread out, which is invariably the case. I have said this on more than one occasion in this thread. Threat is not the issue, range is.

How exactly do you take less than 1 GCD?

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

For the enemies to be 'spread', a set of aggro'd enemies need to be targeting different party members. However when a player aggros an enemy, the enemies adjacent to them will all converge toward this player. How is it possible they're getting 'spread out'?

Nevertheless, the solution when this happens is to just beeline behind this one puller then AoE once within range (or gapclose then AoE), or run together while tab targeting your ranged atk. Whoever pulling won't die in 2-3 GCDs even on a minimum iLv gear. Their health bar is your shield bar. You can do this without stop running at all.

i mean... wouldnt it be alright for a dps to only use single target skills? their job is to deal dmg. and single target skills deal dmg too.
would be horrible for the pacing though

There was a time (maybe 3-4 years ago now) I was a healer to a YPYT tank in Grand Cosmos back in ShB days. Pulls were dicey because that PLD(?) got salty one of the caster kept running ahead (caster even waited for the no-sprint PLD to get close enough before precasting their spell) & openly expresses their YPYT intent in party chat. The caster then replies something along the line of "ok then I will freestyle". The other DPS was actually on-board & started using only single targets from 2nd pull after 1st boss. Me? I stopped dpsing and cast only Physick and Adlo lol. Tank then try to VK the caster. It failed, then they bail themselves.

[Asari5]

There was a time (maybe 3-4 years ago now) I was a healer to a YPYT tank in Grand Cosmos back in ShB days. Pulls were dicey because that PLD(?) got salty one of the caster kept running ahead (caster even waited for the no-sprint PLD to get close enough before precasting their spell) & openly expresses their YPYT intent in party chat. The caster then replies something along the line of "ok then I will freestyle". The other DPS was actually on-board & started using only single targets from 2nd pull after 1st boss. Me? I stopped dpsing and cast only Physick and Adlo lol. Tank then try to VK the caster. It failed, then they bail themselves.

sounds great xD

had a ninja once in expert roulette in the matoya dungeon who jumped ahead and pulled because the tank was so slow.
the tank went full ypyt, deactivated tank stance and complained in the chat.
i healed the ninja instead and gave the tank a mouthfull afterwards. i guess the tank didnt really expect the healer to go against him. he didnt leave but he enhanced his speed a bit and didnt say a single word in the remaining time.



now, i dont wanna defend dps jobs pulling, i dont thinknthats the go to approach in a random dungeon, but ypyt is just worse than that xD

and before anyone says i just think like that because my main is a dps job.... i actually do a lot more dungeons as tank or healer and barely any as dps

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

[…]now, i dont wanna defend dps jobs pulling, i dont thinknthats the go to approach in a random dungeon, but ypyt is just worse than that xD[…]

Frankly I just think it as a consequences for not having punishment to the act itself. If people want to insist tanks as the only eligible puller, mobs need to start pummeling harder. Holding enmity has to be something that requires thought. Resources has to be more limited, THEN maybe there will be a justification why tanks absolutely has to be the one to start a pull.

Until then, it comes down to majority rule: if more people in the acting party don’t think it matters, then the YPYT has to deal with it or leave. Same is true for the opposite.

It is what it is.

[Absurdity]

It's a weird power trip mindset where the person desperately wants to be the shining protagonist of some story and the other party members are just background characters that cater to the whims of the tank, can't blame them if they are playing warrior though, they literally are 3 roles moulded into 1 job.

Kinda the consequence of the MSQ literally making you the "chosen one that is the key to everything and saves the world" and catering to that mindset, even in trials you're just summoning 7 "dudes" to help a bit.
No wonder this game has such a staggering amount of people with main character syndrome.

[Astronis]

It's a weird power trip mindset where the person desperately wants to be the shining protagonist of some story and the other party members are just background characters that cater to the whims of the tank, can't blame them if they are playing warrior though, they literally are 3 roles moulded into 1 job.

It's something that actually matters in other games, and gets imported into this one where it doesn't matter. The last MMO I played, if anyone but the tank pulled, they were dead, and there were no rezzes. So it takes a bit of time sometimes for people who tanked in MMOs where DPS and healers had a binary existence to get used to this one where a healer and two DPS can frequently manage a boss fight while the tank is busy reconnecting from a DC.