So Yoshi-P just confirmed jobs won't get a big rework in 8.0.

[kentribal]

No people don't want some new kind of job 'configuration' complexity.

What they want is the old XIV style job complexity back. Stop trying to make it so you can put the least effort possible into instance design.[/QUOTE]

Thumbs up for that

[Gurgeh]

I specifically said you should take a Break, if you are dooming over something that is happening in over a year from now.
You will never be happy with anything SE does if you go at it with a "This is gonna suck" attitude.

Even this Interview I really liked. I'm really interested in the "People might think of it as an expansion of the system that we have in the game." and what that means for the 8.0 jobs.

This kind of illogic twaddle annoys me.

Firstly) just because some people lack the mental facilities to confidently model future behaviour based on past behaviour, it does not mean they should apply that lack of confidence to other people.
Look, if you are unable to offer coherent forecasting, by all means keep your lack of insight to yourself, but do NOT censure those that are able to make up for your lack of capacity! Yes, I'm making that an imperative.

Secondly) Lets assume one does acknowledge even the possibility of impending, yes 'Doom'. Then only an idiot does not appreciate that development cannot 180 turn in the space of a dime. If ever a game demonstrated that it is FFXIV. Therefor if there is a problem then it needs to voiced from the very moment it is foreseen.

As for dismissing concerns as 'doom', well that's turned into the ultimate irony now. As that was the dismal of the past when no such doom was apparent. However, lack of criticism has taken the game very much to a state of impending 'doom'.
Wake up! The game is not going to be ok as it is! Unless it can change course it will not even be able to maintain the current or past standards. IT WILL GO INTO MAINTENANCE MODE.

If these job changes are not WHAT PEOPLE WANT it will be a DISASTER.

Im not always the best myself, but how can some people be so bad at learning from history and past mistakes.

Lastly, if the problem is tone of criticism, well we have proof that an understated tone is ignored, shouted down and as a result ultimately ignored. We now know that what we must do (I say we, 'they' as far I'm concerned) and that is to speak loudly, forcefully, relentlessly.

The game IS broken.
Sitting on ones hands and "taking a break" never 'really' fixed anything except for the weak, and it's not going to fix FFXIV.

If you don't want to be around game criticism you need to go play a game that's doing better, like WoW, or maybe even Destiny 2. (Anyone seen that Tom Christie video? Its amazing! XD https://youtu.be/i746yVpd7VY)

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

Since Shadowbringer and the 2 minute meta, SE has been backing the jobs into a corner, and they're running out of room with things they can do with them.

With the 2 minute meta, we have 20 seconds of burst, or around 8 GCDs. Some jobs such as PLD was already at 8 GCDs after their rework, so their DPS kit gain was 1 upgrade and 1 new oGCD. GNB is also at 8 GCDs now, and WAR is at 7. DRK is the only odd one out with 4, but they also got a lot of oGCDs to weave.
And looking at most of the upgrades jobs have gotten in DT, it's mainly upgrades for old abilities, and burst abilities. Almost zero has been done for the 100 seconds of filler, or put another way, you get to play DT for 20 seconds while the remaining 100 seconds hasn't changed since Shadowbringer combat (majority of jobs, a few have gained a bit or been reworked, or it's tied to a mini burst at 60 seconds).

I want them to make the 100 seconds of filler more fun and interesting, not dump everything new into the overstuffed 20 seconds.

Actually now that you mention this, I wonder if part of the reason why they extend those raidbuffs up to 20s was partly because they realized they couldn’t fit in each job’s ‘new shiny finishers’ within the old 15s timers so they opt to just extend it & call it a day.

I wonder if we’ll get another 5s extension in 8.0 just so we can have yet 2 another new finishers lmfao.

EDIT: On top of that, debuffs like Addle/Feint/Reprisals getting its 5s extension is probably also a reaction to “Oh no X job burst window is so full now they have to pre-mitigate! Y’know what, let’s just extend these too!”

[Ephremjlm]

I specifically said you should take a Break, if you are dooming over something that is happening in over a year from now.
You will never be happy with anything SE does if you go at it with a "This is gonna suck" attitude.

Even this Interview I really liked. I'm really interested in the "People might think of it as an expansion of the system that we have in the game." and what that means for the 8.0 jobs.

And who are you to tell people to take a break?

FFXIV is down 50% and seemingly going down more, and your only response to peoples criticisms is to unsub. Good one chief. They should put you on the board of directors with that attitude.

On top of that you're being completely disingenuous because I know you know that it isn't just this ONE thing. This is a dot on a graph full of dots that has been slowly spiraling out of control for years, and has been building up community sentiment. If Yoshi P. as THE head of this games development, either says something that people don't like, or says something dumb, people have every right to be concerned. That's why there are whole industries on PR and why it's so important.

Nobody except a small cringe sect of the community wants to see the game fail. It's fragile right now and they need to take all of this more seriously than it feels like they are.

And btw, if you like things the way they are, or you simply just don't care one way or the other, just say that. I have no rebuttal.

[Carin-Eri]

And who are you to tell people to take a break?

FFXIV is down 50% and seemingly going down more, and your only response to peoples criticisms is to unsub. Good one chief. They should put you on the board of directors with that attitude.

On top of that you're being completely disingenuous because I know you know that it isn't just this ONE thing. This is a dot on a graph full of dots that has been slowly spiraling out of control for years, and has been building up community sentiment. If Yoshi P. as THE head of this games development, either says something that people don't like, or says something dumb, people have every right to be concerned. That's why there are whole industries on PR and why it's so important.

Nobody except a small cringe sect of the community wants to see the game fail. It's fragile right now and they need to take all of this more seriously than it feels like they are.

And btw, if you like things the way they are, or you simply just don't care one way or the other, just say that. I have no rebuttal.

I'm curious regarding where this 50% figure has come from? I'm aware that there has been a drop in player numbers but I haven't seen anything indicating the game has lost literally half of it's playerbase?

[Silren]

You must've missed the existence of Fallout 76 and Starfield.

I played a lot both these games actually, FO76 had a terrible launch but they didn't abandon it and with all those updates today it is a good game, not a masterpiece of course but you can enjoy it with friends and even solo. Starfield is a good game overall, but not so good Bethesda game, it is different from TES and Fallout series and that is its issue, people were expecting something more close to other rpgs made by Beth. They are worse than TES and Fallout games that came before? Sure they are, but they are not bad games at all.

[Ephremjlm]

I'm curious regarding where this 50% figure has come from? I'm aware that there has been a drop in player numbers but I haven't seen anything indicating the game has lost literally half of it's playerbase?

Truthfully it's more of a conservative estimate. We know for a fact based on the last report that SE's MMO division was down 45%. The sentiment seems to only be getting worse since then, but that isn't where we pull the estimate from.

The MMO division is currently made up of FFXI, and FFXIV. FFXI as far as we know has been absolutely BOOMING. They literally had to stop people from signing up for certain servers. There are multiple reasons for this including from the boom of the raids and ironically similar to how the wow exodus made FFXIV spike, people leaving FFXIV is making people try FFXI, and not just retail but other servers too. The estimate is around 200K. The point there is that, that should all factor in to the 45% decrease but in the opposite way. That said, that means all the decrease is on FFXIV, and more than 45%. Probably not TOO significant of a difference but 5% seems to be the fair number.

[Xurtan]

That and you can look at the steam numbers, tbh. Sure, not everyone is on steam, but data analytics says we can extrapolate one to the other as long as the data set is large enough. *shrug* It's kind of bleak atm.

[Carin-Eri]

Truthfully it's more of a conservative estimate. We know for a fact based on the last report that SE's MMO division was down 45%. The sentiment seems to only be getting worse since then, but that isn't where we pull the estimate from.

The MMO division is currently made up of FFXI, and FFXIV. FFXI as far as we know has been absolutely BOOMING. They literally had to stop people from signing up for certain servers. There are multiple reasons for this including from the boom of the raids and ironically similar to how the wow exodus made FFXIV spike, people leaving FFXIV is making people try FFXI, and not just retail but other servers too. The estimate is around 200K. The point there is that, that should all factor in to the 45% decrease but in the opposite way. That said, that means all the decrease is on FFXIV, and more than 45%. Probably not TOO significant of a difference but 5% seems to be the fair number.

Thanks for explaining

[Kisshu]

That and you can look at the steam numbers, tbh. Sure, not everyone is on steam, but data analytics says we can extrapolate one to the other as long as the data set is large enough. *shrug* It's kind of bleak atm.

If the people playing on Steam act similarly to those on SE client, PS5 or Xbox, then it can show us a trend.
So if the Steam numbers are half now compared to DT launch, then we could estimate that a similar trend might also happen with the SE client users, PS5 and Xbox users.