So Yoshi-P just confirmed jobs won't get a big rework in 8.0.

[Xeronia]

Ppl need to stop taking interviews on non-japanese medias at face value.
We don't have Japanese raw script for this interview but every time we have these post in both language theres so many nuance missed in translation.

Care to explain to me why they used to give you links to interviews on their lodestone posts in media round ups then? It seems they never cared about any translation issues before to link to these interviews in prior expansions, here is a link if you do not believe me from a Shadowbringers media round up.

Shgadowbringer's Media Round up

[escapeRealm]

I can't disagree more and this may be proof a segment of players on the forums cannot read.

Player choice / talent tree / specialization can potentially be a big change.

The main problem is that the main system is already incredibly bad. It's like seeing a crooked house build on a bad foundation and saying that "building on top of it will fix the house" - it doesn't matter if they add talent tree and specializations because it won't change the facts that:
- every single job in their respective category (DPS, tanks, healers) gameplay wise are basically almost a carbon copy of any other job with only a minor difference (the fact that ninja is still one of most unique jobs simply because of the mudras is telling a lot, and they have stopped giving them new ninjutsu since ShB)
- 2 min meta is stale and boring;
- healers are still spending 90% of their time spamming 3 buttons;
- SE still doesn't know how to properly balance ranged jobs (picto being top 1 damage for 2 patches straight while machinist is still at the bottom for several years now, black mage is also somewhere at the top but only because it's Yoshi-P's favourite job).
If they are not going to change anything in the foundation, then the only thing that they will be able to do will be:
1) Another "phantom jobs" type of stuff that, ultimately, adds nothing to the job and only serve as an additional buff/damage button
2) Some skills will be replaced with some other skill that, while technically would do something else, wont actually change anything or have much of impact in the main job gameplay.
There's literally nothing more that they can do.

[ty_taurus]

I give it a very skeptical "we'll see." Given how vague Yoshi-P is in regards to anything job related (and then some), it's impossible to guess what he actually means. It's an approach that inspires a negative amount of confidence, but like I said in the thread about this topic that I started: go ahead, Yoshi-P. Prove me wrong. Show us all up and release the most jaw-dropping job customization system that makes us all get down and beg for forgiveness. I'll be the first to do it to.

[Teno]

Taking healers as an example, they can keep it stupid simple like right now for people who like it the way it is and it'll work in any casual environment anyway... And add the much needed options for people who enjoy a proper gameplay... Casuals don't need to use the full kit, and people who want to play the game can enjoy the full kit...





....Who am I kidding, right ?

[Daralii]

Taking healers as an example, they can keep it stupid simple like right now for people who like it the way it is and it'll work in any casual environment anyway... And add the much needed options for people who enjoy a proper gameplay... Casuals don't need to use the full kit, and people who want to play the game can enjoy the full kit...





....Who am I kidding, right ?

That would potentially create friction between players, and that's the cardinal sin. Every design decision has to revolve around preventing it from ever happening no matter how impossible it is.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

Rofl, they can't even stand their ground against certain part of playerbase who seethes & stomps their feet at where they stand when the fact got out that benchmark SGE was able to gain as miniscule as 80p/minute (it's 40p/minute today :P) that doesn't involves 1 2 1 1 1 1 1 monotony under the "It DiStRaCtS mE fRoM hEaLiNg!!" pretext - it's as if we're already healing more than 30% of time. There's noooo way they'll do anything more lmaoo.

Man, that was a good laugh.

[Miki_L]

I think YoshiP should release another statement clarifying what he meant in this interview.

If we give him the benefit of the doubt, his statement on the jobs still feeling familiar could mean multiple things such as:

1. The game is not turning into an action game based around timing dodges
2. The roles are being completely reworked (i.e. A single DPS role instead of melee/phys range/caster)
3. Something wacky like changing jobs mid battle

Job design is pretty pressing issue when it comes to many player's satisfaction of the game. I wish Yoshi P and the developers took more care in responding to player feedback and being more precise about their goals with the 8.0 job changes are. I don't think it needs to wait until fanfest, although I am skeptical if they even had any ideas when they first announced their intent. They mentioned the job changes before 7.0 came out, and the job changes in 7.0 directly contradicted what they wanted to do and homogenized the jobs even further. The last thing this game needs is bad press due to poor communication.

[bic12]

Why are you people even debating this?

Even if he said the opposite, that there will be significant change, you will STILL have the same reactions.

The people on copium will STILL think that everything will be magically solved. 2 min meta will be gone. Etc.

The cynical people will STILL think that because they literally think adding a combo action to Chain Stratagem is peak gameplay shift, not much will actually be changed in 8.0.

When did Yoshi P's words ever matter LOL

[Reimmi]

How about a freaking PTS so we can actually try and give a feedback on said changes ?

The whole thing seems important enough to be tested by us, the players so we can actually feel listened to.

This game really does need a PTR
Don't have story content on it, but allow people to test job changes on training dummies and stuff at least.
Then actually respond and take in player feedback. It's how wow is able to have good class design

[Oizen]

Naoki Yoshida is the Todd Howard of Square Enix