STOP GATEKEEPING PF IN 2025 BE LIKE EU and jp

[Seraph_Variel]

Whatever os12ispeak is smoking, I want some.

But seriously, What's wrong with duty complete locking for reclears? the entire point is to get in and out, clear it again with other people as fast as possible. It's not about 'protecting' something at all, it's just "I want loot fast, lets get in, get out within 30 minutes."

C41ing I also see as case dependent. I tried to C41 my friend in M7S the other week and we saw no one, but I'm not exactly going to blame people for not wanting to join, even with my friend already being at enrage. He managed to get his clear the next day anyways. People putting up C41s for themselves are just desperate to get a clear.

I know I'm tempted to ask around just so I can stop seeing Millennial Decay every time I join a P1 Enrage group. My main's search info is "No, this isn't a millennial Decay party!" for a reason.

C41 mercing wouldn't work without duty complete locking because then you're literally just hiring poor prog liars who want to get in at no cost to them and hope they get carried. If you don't gate keep, then you won't get your clear, and the people joining won't get the gil you put on offer.

Farm parties: Refer back to reclears. Why would you want to reprog earth and ice phase in EX3 when you could get a bunch of people who know the fight already and... will inevitably kill you in ice phase because they don't know fixed bridges anymore and expected to skip without potting.

Clear parties? Okay, yeah, no, this makes no sense. You're just putting up an unadvertised C41, and as LegendWait put it:

Nothing pisses me off more then dead weights that lies about their prog points, that's an auto blacklist.
Unannounced clear for one? I leave. This is called PF etiquette, respect the time of other players.

If you want to partake into cleared/farm party, get your clear legit like all of us: prog parties or find yourself friends that are willing to give time to carry you to clear.

I can't speak for Aether's PF etiquette, as I only recently transferred onto it and prior to this tier I was only raiding in statics anyways, but I can only hope to imagine it's better than my experiences with M8S.

Gatekeeping is not evil. It is a tool, and should be used as such.

[JadeCurtiss]

The fact is people lie. Prog lying in NA is much more common than elsewhere by my perception. And sometimes the only way to prevent this is to make sure they can't lie.

[boigerking]

It sounds like you're assuming all CF1 parties are to carry the PF's creator but a lot of my experience is it's folks who HAVE cleared, trying to get a team of people to help their friend clear.
What's so wrong with joining learning parties anyways? Learn the fight, clear it, and then you can join the duty complete parties! Put in a bit of effort to actually be able to join, they're not "gatekeeping" anything, they just don't want their time wasted.

[Themarvin]

stopping the western me me me me mentality and going more towards us us us us... would be better, maybe not just for the first couple of months... but you would see miracles in the later stages.

[Shinku_Tachi]

I'mma keep it a buck. Not all 'gatekeeping' is bad gatekeeping.

People are entitled to set their stipulations in their PF, just the same as you.

[Bryson]

Party Finder in this game is a fucking disaster sometimes. I don’t care if it’s a clear party or a reclear party — stop locking them behind Duty Complete. It makes zero sense. A clear party should let people who still need the achievement in. A reclear party should be for anyone who is clear-ready or who has already cleared. Slapping Duty Complete on top of either one is nothing but pointless gatekeeping, ego stroking, and absolute garbage design by the community.

And let’s be brutally honest: if you’ve got 40+ clears and you’re still throwing Duty Complete on your PF, you’re not protecting anything — you’re just flexing like a middle school bully. The achievement doesn’t magically make your run smooth. Half the time, these “Duty Complete only” parties are still a complete circus of parse animals faceplanting mechanics they’ve done a thousand times, wiping at 2%, screaming for heals. Meanwhile, one actual clear-ready player who actually cares about killing the boss would probably carry harder than another orange-log clown obsessed with padding numbers.

And the real punchline? The C41 “need clear” people who STILL lock behind Duty Complete. Like bro… YOU need the clear. YOU literally haven’t done it yet. But you’re blocking everyone else who’s also capable? That’s not logic — that’s begging for a carry while pretending you’re above it. PF becomes a graveyard because of clowns like this.

If you think NA PF is bad, look at EU and JP PF. They don’t gatekeep with Duty Complete nearly as much, and people actually take mechanics seriously. If you perform poorly there, you WILL get flamed — you can’t hide behind “Duty Complete” as a shield. Meanwhile, NA PF is a trash heap of ego-driven carry-seekers and orange-log obsessed clowns who think an achievement icon equals skill.

Clear party, reclear party, who gives a damn — stop with the “Duty Complete only

Make your own pf if you don't meet their requirements?
What's with your sense of entitlement?

[Grimforth]

Make your own pf if you don't meet their requirements?
What's with your sense of entitlement?

Because forming your own PF requires effort and the OP doesn't want that.

Their Solution? Complain on the forums about it.

[hamms]

? Which part of JP PF did you mean with be like JP PF?
1. If its reclear party ofc it should be locked behind Duty Complete, only people who already have cleared can join, why would you let uncleared people to join? Regardless if they say they're confident, there is no guarantee if they're being honest unless if they can show some proof, like TOP, if they passed Wave Cannon 2, that means they're clearable otherwise not.
2. If its a clear party, it depends, sometimes you see people like you mentioned, the shameless ones, who only wants to get carried. Sometimes there are an open pf for anyone with same goal yes, but sometimes there also these mercenary pf that offers some gil as reward for helpers which is pretty make sense if they put Duty Complete, logically since they're the 主 or the boss, that offering something so ofc they don't want to get trapped by other uncleared players. Likewise, i would never help an open clear party because it tends to be very hard, harder than a C41, if you ask me i rather go sleep early than joining sus pfs. Don't blame me, if everyone in pf can just be transparent and honest with their prog point, i'd gladly help anyone without any doubt.
3. If you think you're confident enough, you can just send a tell to those pfs if they can allow you to join, but if they refuse, you have no rights to complain about it, just make your own pf. Or you know, get some friends, don't be friendless.

TLDR; JP PF does lock Duty Complete, the difference i know is that us, unlike NA, JP players respect mechanics more and still try to push even if someone just died, because they care about the clear more than those funny numbers. You can get those nonsense number later but on a clear party, goal is to get a clear first.

[MaikoRaines]

Party Finder in this game is a fucking disaster sometimes. I don’t care if it’s a clear party or a reclear party — stop locking them behind Duty Complete. It makes zero sense. A clear party should let people who still need the achievement in. A reclear party should be for anyone who is clear-ready or who has already cleared. Slapping Duty Complete on top of either one is nothing but pointless gatekeeping, ego stroking, and absolute garbage design by the community.

And let’s be brutally honest: if you’ve got 40+ clears and you’re still throwing Duty Complete on your PF, you’re not protecting anything — you’re just flexing like a middle school bully. The achievement doesn’t magically make your run smooth. Half the time, these “Duty Complete only” parties are still a complete circus of parse animals faceplanting mechanics they’ve done a thousand times, wiping at 2%, screaming for heals. Meanwhile, one actual clear-ready player who actually cares about killing the boss would probably carry harder than another orange-log clown obsessed with padding numbers.

And the real punchline? The C41 “need clear” people who STILL lock behind Duty Complete. Like bro… YOU need the clear. YOU literally haven’t done it yet. But you’re blocking everyone else who’s also capable? That’s not logic — that’s begging for a carry while pretending you’re above it. PF becomes a graveyard because of clowns like this.

If you think NA PF is bad, look at EU and JP PF. They don’t gatekeep with Duty Complete nearly as much, and people actually take mechanics seriously. If you perform poorly there, you WILL get flamed — you can’t hide behind “Duty Complete” as a shield. Meanwhile, NA PF is a trash heap of ego-driven carry-seekers and orange-log obsessed clowns who think an achievement icon equals skill.

Clear party, reclear party, who gives a damn — stop with the “Duty Complete only

Party Finder requirements aren’t about “flexing.” They’re about people wanting to group with others of equal experience versus those who are still learning and need more time.

One of the biggest issues isn’t gatekeeping, but communication. Too often, players trying to clear refuse to hop on Discord or ask questions, which makes things harder than they need to be. On top of that, bad practices have been around for years—people exaggerating their experience, squeaking by on bare minimum iLevel, or not even melding materia.

That’s not about elitism; it’s about respecting the time of seven other players.

I run a fair number of learning and clear parties myself, but when I’m hosting a farm, I don’t want someone showing up in entry-level gear who probably limped through their first clear—or cleared on another job entirely. That’s why Duty Complete and similar filters exist.

As for the “C41” point you raised—ideally, those are for players who’ve seen enrage multiple times and just haven’t gotten the clear yet. The idea is to make the run smooth by bringing in people who already have the fight on farm and require minimal communication. That’s not gatekeeping; that’s just setting expectations so everyone knows what kind of group they’re joining.

[Aniise]

Lol what? Which EU Server were you on?

Pf etiquette in EU is like this most of the time:

-You are completely new, just want a first look in the fight? Open for all players.

-You are at a specific prog point but not ready to clear yet? Open to all players, but specify your prog point in the pf info.

-You are ready to clear and open a clear party? Your choice: open it to all players with the specifics in the info that it's a clear party or open it only for ppl who cleared to help you. Most people I've seen will do the first option, though.

-You want a simple reclear or mechanic cleanup ? Open it to people who cleared it already and specify in info, so you get a higher chance to get the training you actually want.

-You want to farm efficiently? Open only for people who cleared.

At the end, it's every party leaders own choice. Their party, their rules. They chose the strat, they chose the iLvl, they chose the requirements.
And you can choose, which party you join. It's as simple as that.