7.3 Hopefully the end of talking to Wuk Lamat

[Zackneifein]

I have a hard time believing this wasn't written from the authors own viewpoint

Viewpoint of what ? Wuk Lamat is just a caricatural Naruto, a stereotype that is extremely powerful and very pregnant in japanese society.

And it's not baseless when it's something nearly only used in this kind of place.

[Exmo]

Last couple pages are full of people regurgitating a bottom of the barrel opinion they heard from a streamer with zero additional thought.

[Mecia]

The Great Serpent of Tural. Speen! Speen!

[Arrius]

Viewpoint of what ? Wuk Lamat is just a caricatural Naruto, a stereotype that is extremely powerful and very pregnant in japanese society.

And it's not baseless when it's something nearly only used in this kind of place.

It's funny to see them go about this like that - When we have Hildibrand since ARR and its 'unique' humor, which is often making more sense if you are aware of how its portrayed in Japan.

Best what can remotely match it in the west was the Animaniacs, but that's 30+ years old now.

[Chasingstars]

I'm the person who said it, that's because it's on the same level of a self-insert fan fiction. I have a hard time believing this wasn't written from the authors own viewpoint.

Meanwhile Dante's Inferno, aka The Divine Comedy, is written from Dante's actual point of view and he self-inserts himself as the main character and its also fanfiction, and yet we call that a classic and allow it to influence how we view the layers of hell.

I agree that Dawntrail's narrative pacing, moments, and oversaturation could've each been handled better. Maybe 7.3 onwards will be the higher quality that 7.2 was, or maybe not, only time will tell.

[Rithy255]

I don't know what people are excited about Wuk lamat goes? and what then, we go back to travelling with the scions who don't add anything interesting to the story? If they add a new "protagonist" character it will fall into the same error as DT made where that character has the majority of lines and interactions because we're still insistent that the scions come with us to say some one liners instead of a interesting new cast of characters.

The story cannot thrive as long as it depends on dragging along the scions, Not to say they can't make a appearances at points but the story needs a focus on New characters instead of one new character who takes up the majority of screen time because the scions don't actually add anything of relevance to any cutscene.

[RedLolly]

Wuk Lamat 100% feels like a self-insert. As someone who used to be really into that kind of fanfic (writer and reader of it for way too long) she absolutely registers as one. Her inability to fail and lore importance track, but the fact she's the both the new race and "not like other girls" by being a gigantic, muscular warrior are also less obvious call signs. It's all the type of cheap tricks we'd try use to make our self-insert "unique."

But I think one issue is that FFXIV in general feels like a self-insert story by the WoL being continuously central, and why it feels so bad to have the spotlight taken from us. Zero's plot at least expanded on the Void's lore and world building.

Generally THAT's my biggest gripe with Tural. The whole first half is supposed to be about world building, but so little of it is interesting because of the distinct lack of drama and genuine conflict. If they wanted it to feel cozy, the Rite of Succession is a terrible backdrop, and the dropkick mood swings of the dead baby cave to cowboys to Alexandria (which feels more like what we expect the story to be) is such a mess.

ALSO, they are absolutely terrified of letting the Twins, Y'shtola, and G'raha go with how historically popular they are

[PaulusHamsteru]

The only way they can redeem the story is if they let us kill Wuk.

[RedLolly]

Wholly different note, but a personal disappointment was that we didn't get a trial/solo instance against Thancred amd Urianger, or really any genuinely active contest against them despite the pre-expansion stuff putting emphasis on the heated rivalry we'd have (we didn't) with our fellow Scions... But Wuk Lamat got one against Bakool Ja Ja.

[Astronis]

Wholly different note, but a personal disappointment was that we didn't get a trial/solo instance against Thancred amd Urianger, or really any genuinely active contest against them despite the pre-expansion stuff putting emphasis on the heated rivalry we'd have (we didn't) with our fellow Scions... But Wuk Lamat got one against Bakool Ja Ja.

I would have enjoyed that. I am sure Thancred and Urianger would love to test themselves against the WoL even if they both know they are hopelessly outclassed. They'd still put in a good showing and it would be fun for all of them. Plus, it would be nice to see a hint of Thancred's "WoL has gone rogue" contingency plan you know he has.