Forked Tower very unfortunate incident happened and why I'll quit

[Yeems]

I mean, regardless of the explanation the fact that the system demands a Discord organization is a bad thing.

It can get hectic, it can get messy, and it really should not be the norm. Optional? Sure. The norm? No.

And this is on SE to fix, they cannot base their game only by how JP community plays it, given that they use PF a lot and we don't.

Even more that as spoken, and as OP spoken of being there 20min earlier, then obvious miscommunication happened here. Which, again, attribute of the hectic need of organizing Discord for 47 people.

Forked Tower and BA are awful systems, simple as.

OP was not there 20 minutes early. They wordlessly joined the voice chat at some point and never replied to pings or questions, as mentioned before. They weren't in their party by the time we wanted to queue, didn't react when asked if they were coming, and didn't inform anyone that they would be a bit later.

Either way, you can hate FT or BA all you want, I just wanted to correct the false information presented by OP. If the system makes players quit the game, all power to them. I don't, however, want us to be blamed for them not taking the time to tell their party leader they were on the way, and then being angry that someone had taken their spot in our premade parties. They weren't excluded from FT, as it is open content. They simply weren't invited in our 48 man party at that specific point anymore.

[OMGJesuis66]

OP was not there 20 minutes early. They wordlessly joined the voice chat at some point and never replied to pings or questions, as mentioned before. They weren't in their party by the time we wanted to queue, didn't react when asked if they were coming, and didn't inform anyone that they would be a bit later.

Either way, you can hate FT or BA all you want, I just wanted to correct the false information presented by OP. If the system makes players quit the game, all power to them. I don't, however, want us to be blamed for them not taking the time to tell their party leader they were on the way, and then being angry that someone had taken their spot in our premade parties. They weren't excluded from FT, as it is open content. They simply weren't invited in our 48 man party at that specific point anymore.

I understand the want to defend yourself, but honestly? There's no need.

I seriously do not believe anyone here would take the people who are organizing those things in bad faith. As I pointed out, it can be hectic. OP can be saying thing with also bad faith, but I do not doubt the organization stress to make groups can lead to mistakes happening once and in a while either.

And even if it didn't happen, as you are reporting, it still doesn't lift the need to defend yourself. You guys are fine, and the community is thankful that you all go out of your way to make those awful SE created systems playable.

Imo, the focus should still remain on the bad system around those contents (Because the content is good, just not the system) and fix it, than turn into a big clash. Because that is the biggest issue in the room.

[AmiableApkallu]

I also feel that FT should have never been inside the instance

The problem with Delubrum Reginae, normal or savage, is that you can't hang out in the Southern Front or Zadnor (i.e., "Bozja") while waiting for a party to form.

The fact that you enter Forked Tower from Southern Horn, or Baldesion Arsenal from Hydatos, feels thematically appropriate.

Surely, SE ought to be able to implement a system by which N people assembled together via Party Finder can queue into Hydatos, Southern Horn, wherever, together and then queue as a group for some tied-to-the-instance dungeon/raid.

[MayuAmakura]

So conclusion from this is:

- Must discord
- If solo try, you are a sniper.

Amusing.

[0blivion]

You cannot, by definition, solo try it. You're leeching off of other people's organization and effort. The only way to "solo" try would be to organize 23 randoms within your instance.

Recent posts made it very obvious that OP, much like the other person with their inane thread, is just incapable of properly communicating and took the easy way out. It's pretty glaring.

[CVXIV]

I understand the want to defend yourself, but honestly? There's no need.

I feel like there's a need when the OP directly mentions this experience being awful and wanting to quit, saying they were not given a reason for it happening and that they assume it was because the person that replaced them was a friend of the lead.

After that, they shared the discord that it occurred in, which would paint it in a negative light during a time when people love to push the 'casual vs hardcore' narrative and the fact forked tower was implemented as it was.

It can cause the reputation of that community to dwindle, and make people not want to be a part of it or run with them if there's a chance they can lose a spot even after doing everything correctly. What is being told is unfair, and it is understandable why someone would be upset over it.

Yes, the issue is how the developers decided to implement this system, but when someone is trying to fan the flames and makes the situation seem worse than it was I believe the other party has the right to defend themselves and try to clarify.

Both of these things can be true.
It's honestly incredibly disappointing how it was handled given how they handled something like CLL, DR, and Dalriada

Had the developers done that again, providing a 'savage' version of one of them, or all of them, then there would not be as many problems and conflict as we have now.

Of course there are a plethora of other discords that run this content, one could argue, but it still doesn't make it right.

over the weeks I made it till boss 4 mostly deathless (unless someone in group causes wipes), despite that and signing up early and showing up 20 mins before the specified time, I was removed from party and replaced with someone else... they didnt really give me a valid reason but most likely they replaced me with one of their friend, but yea this community really isn't as welcoming as it was pre endwalker and they only want u in to fill as bodies to reach their goals...

double edge discord in chaos

[Rizlee]

oh hey! i was there

i was also in the run where OP got assigned a utility role (geomancer), after marking it in google form as "i can do that, yes", and then either forgot or refused to place Battle Bell on our knight MT, constantly receiving autos, and decided to bell themselves, keeping it at 1 stack (and still managed to do lower output than knight MT).

and after boss enraged, which, happens, prog points are prog points, - OP mentioned in party chat, that this could've been avoided, if they were tank/samurai; an option yet unavailable in runs for safety.

so please, do not believe anything you see on the internet. kudos for the clear.

pic partially related.

not true, our party mt wasnt receiving any autos in that specific run and the bell wud have had no effect other than raidwides, i do give bell and the heal effect on mt when i see them taking autos in the enmity list and u can go ahead and ask the other ppl who progged with me

[Rizlee]

OP was not there 20 minutes early. They wordlessly joined the voice chat at some point and never replied to pings or questions, as mentioned before. They weren't in their party by the time we wanted to queue, didn't react when asked if they were coming, and didn't inform anyone that they would be a bit later.

Either way, you can hate FT or BA all you want, I just wanted to correct the false information presented by OP. If the system makes players quit the game, all power to them. I don't, however, want us to be blamed for them not taking the time to tell their party leader they were on the way, and then being angry that someone had taken their spot in our premade parties. They weren't excluded from FT, as it is open content. They simply weren't invited in our 48 man party at that specific point anymore.

not true at all, i was in vc 20 mins earlier since u ppl usually post passwords 15 min prior, and i joined the party as soon as i see the passwords in discord, i was sitting in the party way ahead of the scheduled time and despite that u kicked me and replaced with someone else, u r just playing the victim card and blaming it on me since u wanna save face on the internet

[Yeems]

not true at all, i was in vc 20 mins earlier since u ppl usually post passwords 15 min prior, and i joined the party as soon as i see the passwords in discord, i was sitting in the party way ahead of the scheduled time and despite that u kicked me and replaced with someone else, u r just playing the victim card and blaming it on me since u wanna save face on the internet

I don't feel victimized, I'm simply annoyed you're painting the story in a light that makes it seem like you were violently forced out of Fork Tower or pushed into uninstalling the game by a whole community, when in reality, you're mad at me personally for making a decision you didn't like, and now you try to discredit an entire group of people, who had absolutely nothing to do with me deciding to replace at the time I did.
You had been part of multiple runs in our server before that day, it's not like you weren't aware of us sometimes queueing ahead of the scheduled time to try and mitigate clashing with other communities. As I said on that specific time, there were something around four or five groups total queueing at that moment due to it being a Saturday evening.

But then, you're deciding to lie about the Battle Bell situation, where you did in fact put it on yourself rather than the main tank for the majority of the fight, so at this point who knows who is trying to "save face on the internet" here.

[DullahanDuinn]

Good morning,

Just one thing concerning the OP mentioning "this community is not welcoming as pre-Endwalker and just wants bodies to fill etc...."

As a matter.of fact the mentioned discord did not even exist pre-Endwalker. It was made in November 2023 as an undersized BA server. And I created the server and then we moved on hosting BA there after the biggest Chaos BA server stopped offering runs.

So tldr - this server did not exit in ShB.