Difficult experience in Forked Tower – a reminder to respect public content

[Aravell]

The word "griefing" is being thrown around a lot here, but it's simply not applicable in the situation it's being used for.

It's not "griefing" to join an organised group for a run as a random. Is it uncooperative and annoying for the organised group? Yes, but it's not griefing. Same thing with a random joining a tower run and dying through their own actions not receiving a raise, they are not being griefed, is it rude and unhelpful behaviour? Yes, but it's still not griefing.

Also, there's the practical situations where not raising someone may not be malicious in any way. In a place with 48 people, if you turn off all nameplates and HP bars, it's very easy to completely miss a dead body amongst all the people and boss effects. Also if display is set to a minimum, there's a chance that your dead body is simply despawned on their screen entirely.

[OdinelStarrei]

https://x.com/VC41688569/status/1933436309496062047

(Google Translate)
I received a warning from the FF14 GM.

The other day, when I was recruiting multiple parties for the Tower of Power,
I changed the category (Gunhildr Savage, etc.)
but today the GM warned me that the party recruitment was significantly different from the purpose,

so when recruiting for a party for the Fork Tower,
I want everyone to be careful about the recruitment content that can be linked to the Crescent Isle category.

I mean, players did try to work around this using in-game systems. Doesn't seem like they got very far, did they?

[Rizlee]

to be honest, i m actually cheering for the randoms and snipers ruining the organized forked tower runs, that way more ppl will complain and hopefully the devs add a queue system in party finder for ft, and it will enable randoms to try forked tower more as pug

[TaleraRistain]

Then what's the problem? Go and enter with 24 randoms then. Why is this a thread if that is true?

Well part of that is that someone does propose that in say shout and immediately you get numerous others going "Just go join X Discord. X Discord is handling the runs on this DC"

People won't even try it. Now part of that is that XIV players care a lot more about just getting the clear than the experience of the journey, but there is reluctance to go outside the established "norm" and attempt it FFA.

[Ajisaii]

to be honest, i m actually cheering for the randoms and snipers ruining the organized forked tower runs, that way more ppl will complain and hopefully the devs add a queue system in party finder for ft, and it will enable randoms to try forked tower more as pug

The Rizzler has spoken

[Saraide]

Furthermore, my experience of discords... logs logs logs. Sometimes they were being helpful. Othertimes, I had to gaslight myself to see it that way. It soils the game for me, and I'm not interested in making the effort to change my psychology on that.
I have a great time.
Then i look at someone's log. I feel shit. And I wind up preferring I'd never played because i spent my time to come away feeling bad.
The only difference? Those bloody logs.
So sod impersonal discords.

I'm sorry you cant handle other people being better than you because they spent more effort to get better. You need to get over that.

As for asking people not to join?!!
How bloody rude!

"Hey we tried to organize an event for our community, it would mean a lot to us if you didnt take a spot there"
You: "how f-ing dare you????"

Just think how someone is supposed to 'feel' upon being asking not to join?

After being explained the reason as to why they are being asked that they're supposed to understand where the premade is coming from.

If your premade joins an instance with a 'rando', you can make the best of it, still enjoy playing the game, still enjoy doing your best.

And instead the rando tried to cause problems, knew nothing and didnt communicate.

"You see what you need to understand is, so that I can have everything, you do have to make do with nothing. Sorry, I don't make the rules. Oh sorry wait, that's the wrong way round, i meant 'not' sorry, I 'do' make the rules"

OP can just as easily become part of that. Nothing is gated from them, discords are free to enter. Now of course if someone would rather burn bridges than make connections then that might become more difficult in the future. OP is free to enter, OP is not free of consequence when they go and try to cause friction.

Go play another game if you don't like it.

That's what you're doing, right?

[Deedlit]

Blame SE. They call it "public" when it simply isn't.

[Pierllos]

Hi,
Thanks all for your reactions and answers .

We can see that system in FT is a pain for everyone, even for casual or confirmed players.

I’d like to clarify a few things in the same respectful spirit i began at the start.

First, I simply shared a difficult experience, honestly, as it happened — especially since some actions felt hostile and confusing to us as players who were just trying to discover Forked Tower. If players are streamers or not, i don't care. It is the as "human" as "player" i talk.

Regarding the term “sniping”: We joined through the normal queue, as any player is allowed to. I farm CE, silver coins and gold coins, trying to mount my phantoms jobs and buy tickets like anyone to enter

As for the tank buster death : I never claimed to be perfect. But at the time, the tank's movement seemed very intentional — right into my hitbox at the last seconds on me :/. I knew about this mechanics and see videos before entering...

About the resurrection refused by the team and confirmed in his answer : i was very sad about it to see that....
From our perspective, the combination of pre-instance messages, being pointed at with emotes, and people jumping on our corpses at the end of the second boss — it came across as clear rejection. Whether intentional or not, it felt quite harsh.

We did all our best in this run. And for my first run with my friend, we were very happy to see and finish the first boss, see cinematics and the DA of the dungeon We see mechanics, do attention about the name of the spells, the share gravity (i love this mechanic !) etc...

Again, I’m not seeking drama or revenge. The life is so short to lost time about that... I’m not a “sniper” — just a curious player who wanted to experience content with others and play freely.

I’m sorry if our presence was unwelcome for the concerned team... and I hope future sessions can be more welcoming overall for everyone and for any players.

Live letter will coming with reactions of FF14 team about OC too. I hope we will find solutions to everyone

Thanks again for taking the time to reply to everyone. Wishing you the best in-game.

[Supersnow845]

Hi,
Thanks all for your reactions and answers .

We can see that system in FT is a pain for everyone, even for casual or confirmed players.

I’d like to clarify a few things in the same respectful spirit i began at the start.

First, I simply shared a difficult experience, honestly, as it happened — especially since some actions felt hostile and confusing to us as players who were just trying to discover Forked Tower. If players are streamers or not, i don't care. It is the as "human" as "player" i talk.

Regarding the term “sniping”: We joined through the normal queue, as any player is allowed to. I farm CE, silver coins and gold coins, trying to mount my phantoms jobs and buy tickets like anyone to enter

As for the tank buster death : I never claimed to be perfect. But at the time, the tank's movement seemed very intentional — right into my hitbox at the last seconds on me :/. I knew about this mechanics and see videos before entering...

About the resurrection refused by the team and confirmed in his answer : i was very sad about it to see that....
From our perspective, the combination of pre-instance messages, being pointed at with emotes, and people jumping on our corpses at the end of the second boss — it came across as clear rejection. Whether intentional or not, it felt quite harsh.

We did all our best in this run. And for my first run with my friend, we were very happy to see and finish the first boss, see cinematics and the DA of the dungeon We see mechanics, do attention about the name of the spells, the share gravity (i love this mechanic !) etc...

Again, I’m not seeking drama or revenge. The life is so short to lost time about that... I’m not a “sniper” — just a curious player who wanted to experience content with others and play freely.

I’m sorry if our presence was unwelcome for the concerned team... and I hope future sessions can be more welcoming overall for everyone and for any players.

Live letter will coming with reactions of FF14 team about OC too. I hope we will find solutions to everyone

Thanks again for taking the time to reply to everyone. Wishing you the best in-game.

The fact you made it through the first boss shows you were genuinely trying and wanted to pull your weight and I seriously respect that

Good on you for bringing this discussion forward

[Neclord]

The fact you made it through the first boss shows you were genuinely trying and wanted to pull your weight and I seriously respect that

Good on you for bringing this discussion forward

Making it through the first boss in this case involves following the movements of the other players who have already done the preparation and learned the fight - and even then if OP was selected for the meteor mechanic they would have risked causing a wipe depending on where they placed it. Perhaps this is a harsh thing to say, but I don't think it warrants any respect at all - and it is simply fortunate that they weren't selected to do mechanics that have the potential to kill others.