Freaking gacha games respect my time more than Demiatmas, and that's sad

[AvalonBright]

I'm a longtime gacha addict and as the title says, nearly every single one of them that isn't a crappy anime tie-in respects my time more than this godawful grind. I don't care that it only takes once, because the once is a nightmare enough on its own. I have been grinding the second of three Verdigris atma for SIX HOURS, four of which have been today alone.

I would have liked to think your dev team was capable of an interesting Relic questline but at this point, maybe not? Maybe "Eh, phone it in" is enough? I don't even mind a grind, I LIKE a grind, when I'm making progress in it. I have no real complaints about leveling Phantom Jobs or earning coins to get glams and other items from OC.

This? This is beyond egregious design. I almost feel like this is a deliberate punishment to those of us who wanted something more involved than last expansion's godawful tome phone-in and you're being spiteful at us for daring to expect a modicum of effort put into an expansion-long special item questline. There is no place I can see anyone on this team somehow thinking anyone was going to find this entertaining, or that players would feel anything upon actually completing it besides exhaustion and bitter annoyance that it's finally over.

And sure, repeats of the first step are tomes only, but what in god's name else is in the works if this is only the first step?!

ETA: Speaking of incompetent design, who on the dev's team stellar idea was it to put a single CE in the Verdigris zone in the first place? I just wanna talk. I earned no less than 4 atmas in a run of OC today as well and none of them are useful because NOTHING SPAWNS IN THE ENTIRE VERDIGRIS ZONE, SE.

[Dorito_Burrito]

Holy crap why do so many people farm the atmas in OC?

[Espon]

I dunno... Demiatmas don't ask me to drop $35 to draw 10 random items with a 100% chance to get a quarteratma on the 10th pull.

[Chasingstars]

Holy crap why do so many people farm the atmas in OC?

Because the drop rate in normal dawntrail fates is abysmally lower by comparison. Like okay, your farming your one to three verdigris, that is over in Kozama'uka. You might, keyword might, get what you want to drop quickly after a few minutes. But your also far more likely to cap on bicolor gemstones as the demiatma doesn't drop and its been hours of fate farming. They just simply have a higher a drop rate in the crescent.

[Jeeqbit]

1. People asked for relics to be grindy, including myself, because Endwalker's ones were not. This is good!

2. They are not even all that grindy. The droprate from CEs is 20%. On average, 5 CEs will get you an atma, and CEs spawn constantly.

3. You do not have to do it. Relic weapons are the exclusive priviledge of those willing to earn them. Endwalker was an exception to that, and people were not happy with it.

4. It's barely even been 2 weeks. This content is meant to be able to last months. Take your time - if you want (or don't, if you don't want, this is time-sink content).

[Kranel_San]

1. People asked for relics to be grindy, including myself, because Endwalker's ones were not. This is good!

2. They are not even all that grindy. The droprate from CEs is 20%. On average, 5 CEs will get you an atma, and CEs spawn constantly.

3. You do not have to do it. Relic weapons are the exclusive priviledge of those willing to earn them. Endwalker was an exception to that, and people were not happy with it.

4. It's barely even been 2 weeks. This content is meant to be able to last months. Take your time - if you want (or don't, if you don't want, this is time-sink content).

EW relics grind have done more damage than what we might have thought. People weren't complaining this much about the grind back in ShB, and that one was much more grindy than EW and DT grinds combined.

[Kozh]

Yeah, sure, gacha game respect your time so much they have 3% rate on character you want to pull. Even if they have pity system, in most cases you have to pull like, >50 pulls first (and that's being generous).
Congrats now you have the character you want. Oh, pls don't mind that to make them optimal you may need to pull multiple copies.

Gacha game also respect your time by locking the most important items for upgrading behind either the most grueling grind content, or super difficult content that you have hard time to beat unless you pull the right characters.

Or you can just pay $$$ and bypass all of them instead. Ig this is what you mean by respecting your time, yeah?

[Asari5]

100 atmas with a 100% drop chance would have been better. you cant change my mind

[Ozalius]

"Yeah, sure, gacha game respect your time so much they have 3% rate on character you want to pull. Even if they have pity system, in most cases you have to pull like, >50 pulls first (and that's being generous).
Congrats now you have the character you want. Oh, pls don't mind that to make them optimal you may need to pull multiple copies.

Gacha game also respect your time by locking the most important items for upgrading behind either the most grueling grind content, or super difficult content that you have hard time to beat unless you pull the right characters.

Or you can just pay $$$ and bypass all of them instead. Ig this is what you mean by respecting your time, yeah? "


Is this a joke?, are you trolling?
It's been 3 years i'm playing Mihoyo games, they have a sub worth 5€, i've put like a sum of 30€ worth of subs and i got all the characters I wanted.
FF14 we get what? We pay 11-13€ to be afk in limsa to stay polite and then they make us pay to play with wuk lamat? are you joking?

I've subbed the Saturday before OC and then I unsubbed 3 days after OC because forked tower was handled very poorly, they are making me put money for this, this gotta be a joke.

[hydralus]

Of course gacha respects your time more. You can literally pay to skip a ton of grinding. I mean dang I freakin' love Genshin Impact and it's one of the more forgiving gacha games, yet getting enough primos for a single guaranteed 5 star banner pull (180 pulls) still takes me around 4 months of play time on average. But you can totally skip that if you pay something like $250.