Please make Forked Tower more Accessible and easier like Bozja

[itachi-otsutsuki]

Some of their decisions just make zero sense regardless of whether you are casual or midcore or hardcore. I think that's the main point of concern here. The Forked Entry requirements are not good for ANYONE. Casuals hate it, midcore people hate it, hardcore people hate it. It literally is an incomprehensible decision and only the streamers who can rally up a static of 48 sweaty nerds seem to make it look good.

[Themarvin]

Would like it to be able to queu into like DR was.... or just be like the massive master fates that Boza and co. offered as a special special CE in a figure of speech.

Also I think it is bad with the permadeath thing if you exceed some stat.

It is like again the more supposed to be like for all content moves into a certain bracket, which is not really fair to the most of the people that would like to do this content.

[Mawlzy]

That too, even with the hardcore favoritism they still manage to throw in some backhanded slaps their way. Forked Tower's entry system seems almost specifically designed to screw with statics, and Chaotic "Raid" was just another boss room and not an actual cranked-up Crystal Tower like some folks thought it would be. (It wasn't even just a boss gauntlet without the walking and add bits removed.)

You think the players have it bad, but just imagine what it feels like to be a monster in a dungeon mob.

You're essentially harmless. You understand that you are regarded as irrelevant. All you can inflict is minor chip damage on a tank with so much mit and self sustain your one cleave might as well be a pea-shooter. You know that your fate will be indistinguishable from every other mob member in a modern dungeon. Having no personal volition, you wait for that inevitable tap of the tank aggroing you, get yeeted with your comrades into a bait ball, and lights out.

Tragic.

[Gurgeh]

Your know what, I think i might try Forked if I can just queue it.
But not if I 'have' to do the gold grind before I can start. I'll do that that while I'm progging it. Also, I'm afraid I won't be preparing with guides. I'll check guides after. I'm looking for communication in game.
It's s shame. THIS kind of attitude would have worked for Chaotic, but I don't think it's going to work for this because i doubt you can just re-pull.
Then when it fails, they'll say "well we tried" and won't try it again for the right kind of content.

Oh my god its so depressing, I just looked at what the actual entry requirements are.
I thought it was going to be a 'boost' your bid with 1 certificate or don't. It never occurred to me id be limitless bidding for the right to play the game I already paid for.
And right now there are add-on cheats boosting their farming productivity in all sorts of ways.
If your even using an add-on to speed your aetherite transports, your a scummy cheat, because your denying me fair crack at farming fates.

So let me get this right...
I'm sitting here right now thinking..

"You know what I fancy giving Forked a try, and because of THAT and that ALONE, I'm going to log on tonight."

but hang on

"my chances of getting in are based on my making a BLIND GAMBLING bid 'against' my fellow players?!"
"As a solo entrant will I be bidding against whole parties?" (It doesn't really matter honestly its still bad either way.)

And what do I use to make that bid? The very same currency I'm supposed to be using to upgrade my gear, to make my rock bottom confidence, never done savage before ass, stand the best chance possible of not being too much of a drag for my colleagues.

What this now equates to is basically spending all my money on gear.
And sitting with a frankly rock bottom expectation of successfully blind bidding my way into the instance.
It's like sitting in a more demoralising, more boring, more restrictive, version of a Chaotic prog PF, only with more chance of my time being totally wasted, while having even less fun.

Yeah well. I'll wait to see if my friend wants to have fun doing CE's, otherwise, I've got better things to do with my time than logon.

I find it so hard to believe that someone in CB3 isn't just being plain hateful now. I mean you couldn't have made it worse. It was frankly the impression that Chaotic gave. You starve casual, then you create exiting new content with something like P2?

I'm not fkg EARNING my right to play the game all over again. I already paid my sub.
Fck you yoshi. Are you takaing any responsibility for this game or have you just given up completely?
I can honestly say if he was in front of me right now, I would not feel the least in awe of him. He's a human being, just like me, and I'm not impressed. I don't do this with my responsibilities to other peoples 'feelings'. I would be having a very frank and confident conversation.
I am not impressed, and I would be expecting a lot of 'excuses'
People invest heart in MMOs and that shouldn't be a shock to anyone least of all Creative 3.
After Chaotic, and EW/DT casual drought, I just don't have the words articulate anything other than my surface feelings on the matter. I just need to state the facts.

At least in Genshin Gatcha I'd probably just be gambling against the environment/systems, and not fellow players.

[Alahard]

Oh my god its so depressing, I just looked at what the actual entry requirements are.
I thought it was going to be a 'boost' your bid with 1 certificate or don't. It never occurred to me id be limitless bidding for the right to play the game I already paid for.
And right now there are add-on cheats boosting their farming productivity in all sorts of ways.
If your even using an add-on to speed your aetherite transports, your a scummy cheat, because your denying me fair crack at farming fates.

So let me get this right...
I'm sitting here right now thinking..

"You know what I fancy giving Forked a try, and because of THAT and that ALONE, I'm going to log on tonight."

but hang on

"my chances of getting in are based on my making a BLIND GAMBLING bid 'against' my fellow players?!"
"As a solo entrant will I be bidding against whole parties?" (It doesn't really matter honestly its still bad either way.)

And what do I use to make that bid? The very same currency I'm supposed to be using to upgrade my gear, to make my rock bottom confidence, never done savage before ass, stand the best chance possible of not being too much of a drag for my colleagues.

I just don't get why they stick with rng as the entrance requirement. It's just absurd.

I just love queuing up 5 times and not getting in. 10/10 decision.

We saw this with duels, and everyone complained about it. We saw this with BA and everyone complained about it.

Why is the devs first decision on interesting content is -> lets make it as hard for you as possible to even join, and also make it as cancerous as possible.


Want to actually try the new content. Nope YoshiP denies you access to the content WE ARE ALREADY PAYING FOR
Want to play with your friends. NOPE, YOU GET TO WATCH WHILE YOUR FC HAS FUN IN THE INSTANCE. YOSHI P HAS DECLARED YOU UNWORTHY TO HAVE FUN

And so like clockwork, the playerbase is forced to implement a solution that is just as bad as the problem, just to get things done. And predictibility, it's screwing over more players, because the solution requires some level of toxicity contrary to the game design, because they thought it was funny to put little timmy, who is used to bodja, expecting a casual challenge, into DRS level nonsence.

The casuals are mad because they feel excluded, both by the devs who failed to give them something meanigful again, and by other players who in their eyes are arbitrary gatekeeping them from something the game tells them to do.
The hardcore and large midcore groups are mad, because they either can't play with their friends/perfered raid groups, or they have randos in hard content who dont know what they are doing, and have been given no good way to stop that.

[Astronema]

Oh my god its so depressing, I just looked at what the actual entry requirements are.
I thought it was going to be a 'boost' your bid with 1 certificate or don't. It never occurred to me id be limitless bidding for the right to play the game I already paid for.
And right now there are add-on cheats boosting their farming productivity in all sorts of ways.
If your even using an add-on to speed your aetherite transports, your a scummy cheat, because your denying me fair crack at farming fates.

So let me get this right...
I'm sitting here right now thinking..

"You know what I fancy giving Forked a try, and because of THAT and that ALONE, I'm going to log on tonight."

but hang on

"my chances of getting in are based on my making a BLIND GAMBLING bid 'against' my fellow players?!"
"As a solo entrant will I be bidding against whole parties?" (It doesn't really matter honestly its still bad either way.)

And what do I use to make that bid? The very same currency I'm supposed to be using to upgrade my gear, to make my rock bottom confidence, never done savage before ass, stand the best chance possible of not being too much of a drag for my colleagues.

What this now equates to is basically spending all my money on gear.
And sitting with a frankly rock bottom expectation of successfully blind bidding my way into the instance.
It's like sitting in a more demoralising, more boring, more restrictive, version of a Chaotic prog PF, only with more chance of my time being totally wasted, while having even less fun.

Yeah well. I'll wait to see if my friend wants to have fun doing CE's, otherwise, I've got better things to do with my time than logon.

I find it so hard to believe that someone in CB3 isn't just being plain hateful now. I mean you couldn't have made it worse. It was frankly the impression that Chaotic gave. You starve casual, then you create exiting new content with something like P2?

I'm not fkg EARNING my right to play the game all over again. I already paid my sub.
Fck you yoshi. Are you takaing any responsibility for this game or have you just given up completely?
I can honestly say if he was in front of me right now, I would not feel the least in awe of him. He's a human being, just like me, and I'm not impressed. I don't do this with my responsibilities to other peoples 'feelings'. I would be having a very frank and confident conversation.
I am not impressed, and I would be expecting a lot of 'excuses'
People invest heart in MMOs and that shouldn't be a shock to anyone least of all Creative 3.
After Chaotic, and EW/DT casual drought, I just don't have the words articulate anything other than my surface feelings on the matter. I just need to state the facts.

At least in Genshin Gatcha I'd probably just be gambling against the environment/systems, and not fellow players.

contractor home improvement simulator.

[itachi-otsutsuki]

It truly is horrific. It has also completely ruined my motivation to log on and I LOVE the raid design. I wish more people where outraged about this cause it's just unacceptable.
Why am I blocked from entering a raid that needs savage levels of prog and forced to play roulette against my fellow players to enter said raid? Not that it will even get you anywhere cause it is now completely gatekept behind discord servers, you playing roulette won't matter. Nobody wants you in their run unless it's schedueled. And you can't even get enough people together to meet the body checks in a random instance.

Like what the actual ????? are they doing???

[Gurgeh]

@ Creative 3
'Forcing' casuals and Highend Static players together IS the best answer. (Provided statics still have some content in which to be a thing, for 'their' part of the instance responsibilities.)

However if you are going to smash statics up then you need to think about who is going to be playing in their place?
Because in the case of Forked bidding wars the answer is definitely 'not' casuals. So no-one.

Chaotic was your chance to do this, when the casual player base was so disappointed, but because making changes and doing things differently is anathema to you, you fckd it.

Chaotic would have been fantastic at suprising casuals about what they can achieve, if you'd banned premades, forced everyone into raidfinder, and just eased the body checks to allow some recovery provided 60% knew how the instance worked.

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Casuals would have loved trying to get better, and they would have had massive patience for it, as long as they can 'just play', and earn genuinely cool stuff for the first time.
That's what casual is. It's not entitlement. Its not effort. Its not skill. It's not practice.
Its not having to do stuff out of game. It's not having to schedule out of game. Recruit out of game. Play the instance out of game in your head via a you tube guide again and again. Casual is, just play, just have fun.

Forked is million miles the other direction. Casuals stand no chance if they can't even practice. But with it's perma death i don't think casuals were ever the target audience at all this time.

Which is why I'm at a loss as to why CB3 clearly did want to smash statics up with Forked entry requirements. The side effect is that they have now polluted the OC zone with hardcore farmers hell bent on getting their business done, with no time to spare the casuals they come across with pleases, thank yous, and let-me-help-you-with-that's.

[itachi-otsutsuki]

Oh chaotic was peanuts compared to forked. Atleast in Chaotic a 'casual' could actually show up unnanounced in an alliance PF, and not grief the alliance to shit. Look up a guide, prog the content as much as they want and get better at it.

With Forked, all that is undone. You can NOT get into the instance in the first place, you can not practice, you can not gain confidence. There is zero chance you are going to clear it so there is also 0 incentive to engage with it which further cements the gatekeeping behind schedueled discord runs full of hardcore sweats.

Also I say 'casual' but that goes for anyone from casual to midcore and savage raiders. The raid itself isn't that hardcore. The retarded entry system just turns it into a hardcore fiesta.

[IvoryHawk]

With how terrible the dev cycle is, they will change it, but it'll be by the end of the expansion to have it an instance entered from the outside, Yoshida and his team are completely out of touch with the community, 5 month wait for a chance at QOL improvements is unacceptable.