Demiatma drop rates are unacceptable

[Jeeqbit]

its funny how people who got lucky are like 'nah drop rates are fine. everything is alright'.

If I get 3 I would say it's just unusual luck, but when I've now got 9 from 38 CEs over a few days it seems pretty consistently a good source of Atma. It's not about ego it's about the fact that, consistently, every single day, the RNG does not feel as bad as it does with minions in dungeons which virtually never drop.

I thought this is large scale. Which means. It is supposed to be for most people.

Not necessarily. It's large scale, but that doesn't mean it's for everyone. Just for a lot of people.

These are the same people who were telling other players to get out of their game when Dawntrail released.

In case you mean me, I've never once said that.

No that again is another disingenuous statement from you as usual!

100% of my responses are honest and genuine.

The Only complaint is with the RNG of demiatma drop rates, and because of that inconsistency that they have an issue with it.

Then the argument becomes "it's only been a few days; you have a few months before the next relic step and you will get other things in the process such as Knowledge, Phantom Levels, Coins, Gear or Bicolor Vouchers, and by the time you've done all that you will definitely have plenty of Atma".

they have never really a bad luck protection in this game

Minion/mount bad luck = buy it from market board, Extreme mount bad luck = buy it for 50-99 totems, Savage bad luck = unsync it later when it's easy, Triple Triad RNG = unsync it later when it's quick/easy, fight droprates were nerfed eventually, FATE bad luck = adjust mindset that it will take more than the first few days to get through the content

We're not all kids with no jobs that have hours and hours and hours of free time.

Despite having hours and hours, I've only ever done this content at the pace a busy person would: a single 3-hour session, once or twice a week. And the RNG has never been a problem despite this. Maybe because of this. Because I play it so casually, that I do not burn myself out like everyone that complains is doing, who wants to get it all done in the first few days. Maybe if you don't feel like you have to do it all in the first few days then you won't feel this way.

I want to actually DO stuff on the weekend and not grind for 10+ hours to get a single drop.

Then I propose grinding for just 1 or 2 hours a week - regardless of if you get a drop. Then it's super casual and chill and you don't go for too long.

I guess working people can't enjoy this content then because they have lives, see how stupid that sounds?

It's quite nice, as a busy person, to log into the game and just play it for an hour or two and make progress towards something.

The problem comes when a busy person acts like someone who is not busy and spends 10 hours getting burned out on it because they are determined to do it all day1.

[UgoGlencoco]

I managed 9 demiatma by the time I hit level 20 in OC. That was after 12 hours of gameplay there since launch. Had one 3 hour session in OC and had no drops at all. I then decided to try the DT FATEs as you can target the colour you want depending on the area. In 50 FATEs I had 1 drop. One. I understand the RNG and the grind, and Im not expecting to get the weapon quickly, but as a player you want to feel that you are getting closer to the end goal, and the drop rate just makes you feel stuck and getting nowhere. Ive decided not to carry on with OC now. Any excitment I had for the new content is now gone. Im not even bothered about doing the Tower in OC. Give us something new. Not a rehash of Eureka and Bozja spliced together. Id even take the Anima weapon way again. Least there you got a variety of content to progress, albeit content already in the game. The Phantom jobs are pointless imo. Just something for completionists, and not the general/casual player most people are.

[Carin-Eri]

Again, having read some of the replies here I want to re-emphasise that I take NO issue with grinding. I neither wanted nor expected to embark on some impatient 'sprint' to get all the required demiatma. I'm generally content to work on obtaining them over time.

However, I do not think it's unreasonable to expect at least ONE to drop during an eight-hour session of trying to gather a few. As I said, I had yesterday off work and opted to spend that treasured free time working on collecting a few demiatma's. I don't think it's too much to hope/expect at least ONE to drop during a nearly eight-hour session of running the new OC content and Tural FATES; to devote all that time to grinding to receive exactly ZERO demiatma's was extremely disheartening and has honestly left a really bad taste in my mouth.

I do understand where those who're saying they didn't want an Endwalker-style method of obtaining relic weapons; but there is a vast amount of territory that lies between the extremes of 'too easily obtained' and this RNG-fuelled 'No Demiatma for you!' rubbish.

[VictorSpoils]

Already done with this quest, and I slowed down after the second day. I think one post-buff ARR atma weapon took longer than this even though the DT step needed 50% more drops, and the former had to be done 10 times. While we're on the matter of mocking tomestones, I wouldn't mind if the ARR book step had been retroactively turned into that.

[Jeeqbit]

Again, having read some of the replies here I want to re-emphasise that I take NO issue with grinding. I neither wanted nor expected to embark on some impatient 'sprint' to get all the required demiatma. I'm generally content to work on obtaining them over time.

However, I do not think it's unreasonable to expect at least ONE to drop during an eight-hour session of trying to gather a few. As I said, I had yesterday off work and opted to spend that treasured free time working on collecting a few demiatma's. I don't think it's too much to hope/expect at least ONE to drop during a nearly eight-hour session of running the new OC content and Tural FATES; to devote all that time to grinding to receive exactly ZERO demiatma's was extremely disheartening and has honestly left a really bad taste in my mouth.

I do understand where those who're saying they didn't want an Endwalker-style method of obtaining relic weapons; but there is a vast amount of territory that lies between the extremes of 'too easily obtained' and this RNG-fuelled 'No Demiatma for you!' rubbish.

To be fair, if the drop rate is indeed lower from FATEs than from CEs as many (including myself) believe, then that is a good thing for the following reason:

It was more efficient to farm outside Bozja than in Bozja, back in Shadowbringers.

The new content, Occult Crescent, should absolutely be the best way to farm it. Old content should be an option for people who prefer that or do not like Field Operations, but it should be slower/less efficient, so that the new content has value.

[AvoSturmfaust]

Generally speaking i love to grind and i dont have a issue with "to not see progress" all the time, i usually grinded in other games 5-10h with nearly 0 breaks without issues but even i say the droprate is way to low, i mean i grind since release atleast 4h a day or more and i got 1 freaking ONE 1 atma, and thats everything but not ok

[Chasingstars]

I spent yesterday resubbing, doing occult crescent, no outside fate farming. Got 3 atmas from fates inside oc. Currently knowledge level 16 and a half, got most of the jobs, except ranger and samurai, just 800 gold away from samurai, each of my phantom jobs I do have are level 2 or higher, and I am 1800 silver away from first oc gear piece.

I know I personally ignored a bunch of critical engagements when I was in gold farming group, and maybe its just me, but it seems to be better to farm while inside the crescent.

EDIT: Apparently according to acheivement progress for Critical Thinking, I got 26 critical engagements done yesterday. Not a bad rate for atmas, I probably would've gotten more if I wasn't also trying to get gold pieces.

[ServerCollaps]

I've grinded for several relics in the past, and while there was a grind I never felt like I was truly wasting my time. It's different this time around. Maybe I just got lucky in the past.

I don't see a world where SE tested how it "Feels" to grind demiatma. I've spent roughly 7 hours grinding fates between zones and have gotten ZERO drops. My time is too valuable for this shit.

I don't expect everything to be "handed" to me, but I want my time to be valued. At this point there needs to be some sort of pity system. Maybe for every fate you do, and don't get a demiatma, increase the drop rate? I'm not sure what the best solution is, all I do know is...I'm skipping this relic. I was so excited for a new relic. To finally have a new chase in the game, but this is just awful. So disappointing. It's like SE has not learned anything in 10+ years of development. It's no wonder why players have been bailing on this game lately. Soon, I might be joining them.

I just don't feel like this game is for me anymore.

you are not wasting your time. You still get loads of bicolour gems. Others can level their classes etc

[Valence]

Reminder that Atma in ARR had a flat 2% drop rate per fate, you had no flying and you had to have a relic equipped for it to drop, so no leveling alts, by comparison, this is extremely generous. I say this as someone who generally has a distaste for RNG grinds, since there's nothing you can really do about it except hope for the best.

Why didn't I think of that. Because something else was worse makes this instantly okay!

[Arwing]

I thought the Timeworn Artifacts grind in Shadowbringers was horrible, but this new relic grind has me blocked on step one. At least for me, it actually puts Timeworns to shame. I've done hundreds of FATEs in various DT zones with my FC and I have absolutely no demi-materias to show for all the sweat and effort. I can't handle this horribly low drop rate. Everyone else has several. I haven't been graced with a single one.


If they want to turn a forever subber who's put up with everything they've thrown at me into a hater, this is really doing it. I even defend Dawntrail because it's a good expansion, better than a lot of people give it credit for. I'd say it's around ARR or Stormblood from my point of view. The only thing Square has done that's made me think I might actually quit is this awful grind.