Occult Relic grind needs to change.

[Kewitt]

After Endwalker relic, I feel like I have something to do when I log in now.

Normally I've been doing the following.
Login 4-6 days a week.
Do a few Duty roulettes, nothing happening in FC log off.
After I get my 1st set of gear in the patch cycle.

Login 1-2 times a week do random roulette or help FC.

Now with this content,
Login knowning I need to spend time to get content done.
I don't mind that and it's very laid back so I can muiltitask.

[CidHeiral]

"Relics grinds are too hard! Make them easier!"

"Ok, now they're easier."

"Relic grinds are too easy! Make them harder!"

"Ok, now they're harder."

"Relics grinds are too hard! Make them easier!"

[NorthernLadMSP]

It's mostly that they can't understand that people DO want to do the grind...but they also want their time RESPECTED! The current grind is a one off grind, and yes it is similar to the atma grind of ARR's relic. That doesn't excuse the fact it is incredibly disrespectful of people's time. Nor does it make it a good grind.

Exactly, but people would rather push their hyperbole than understand what the real issue is. I did Fate and CE grinding for 9 hours yesterday and did not receive a single Demiatma. Not one.

[ForteNightshade]

I don’t think the issue is that there is a grind, from what I can gather it seems like the issue is type of grind or how that grind is actually designed. I think most people would prefer a a very slow but guaranteed progress grind, over a grind that is a grind by virtue of random chance - even if they ultimately take the same length of time to reach the end destination

Case in point, four hours inside OC and I had six atmas while a friend of mine put in more than double that time and had 1. Yes, RNG can be fickle, but that stark a difference will always upset people since it feels like their time is being wasted.

As for people insisting "this is what y'all wanted!!!!!!" First and foremost, neither the forums nor reddit is one singular hivemind. People who liked the tome step aren't going to be posting here because... well, why would they? They liked the system, thus have nothing to say. People don't typically come to forums or reddit to say how great something else.

[Zakon]

This is where we are as a community? Complaining that we have to pay attention? Good lord....

Complaining that I have to pay attention for hours of mind-numbing fate grinding? Yeah.

I get bored doing the same fights over and over and over and over for hours. But I can't just watch youtube or something on the side because I need to focus on the fights I'm having to do. There's nothing I can do to make the experience more tolerable because if I try to listen to an audiobook or something, I won't be able to absorb anything of what I'm listening to because the fights demand you pay attention and do the mechanics properly.

This is where we are as a community? Misrepresenting people's arguments so we can feel smugly superior and assume other people are stupid and lazy? Good lord....

[Zakon]

Case in point, four hours inside OC and I had six atmas while a friend of mine put in more than double that time and had 1. Yes, RNG can be fickle, but that stark a difference will always upset people since it feels like their time is being wasted.

As for people insisting "this is what y'all wanted!!!!!!" First and foremost, neither the forums nor reddit is one singular hivemind. People who liked the tome step aren't going to be posting here because... well, why would they? They liked the system, thus have nothing to say. People don't typically come to forums or reddit to say how great something else.

After day 2 of grinding this event, I currently have 3 of the items I need. My friend who has been there with me from the start and has done every single fight in a party with me has ZERO. He has had to go check repeatedly to make sure he's on the quest, and we're on the same step together. It's just not giving him anything.

This is why RNG grinds are awful.

[AmiableApkallu]

Case in point, four hours inside OC and I had six atmas while a friend of mine put in more than double that time and had 1. Yes, RNG can be fickle, but that stark a difference will always upset people since it feels like their time is being wasted.

The entire point of an in-game "grind" is to "waste" time.

If anyone wanted to feel otherwise, they'd close the game and spend their time trying to alleviate any number of issues plaguing the not-in-game world.

[Innio]

after 2 days (about 20-22 hours) all grinding Fate in this new location I still can't complete the first relic I still don't have a single Orpiment Demiatma and Malachite Demiatma...

[Rolder50]

"Relics grinds are too hard! Make them easier!"

"Ok, now they're easier."

"Relic grinds are too easy! Make them harder!"

"Ok, now they're harder."

"Relics grinds are too hard! Make them easier!"

Huh, it's almost like the only two options they know are "Free" and "Screw you grind for 40 hours"

[MisterNublet]

"Relics grinds are too hard! Make them easier!"

"Ok, now they're easier."

"Relic grinds are too easy! Make them harder!"

"Ok, now they're harder."

"Relics grinds are too hard! Make them easier!"

The Limsa crowd will always cry if they have to do anything remotely time consuming that takes them away from their AFK spot for too long, or having to do anything remotely challenging that wont let them show off their "earned" glam before the end of the day.