Give credit where is due: FL is fun

[Esmoire]

As a monk main: While it has a 75s CD in FL, I still think we have the best cc and I couldn't justify us getting any more. Guard break + 3 second lock. Even if you don't use it,. just the threat of it coerces and controls people and limits their range of movement. Plus you can act fast enough to Wind's Reply or Smite if somehow that wasn't enough. Even before 7.1 we were really the only reliable threat towards jobs like Dark Knight.

[Alyko]

Heavily disagree. I really dislike how fast battle high generates now. You used to have to work for battle high but now everyone just gets it for free. People just get straight up deleted in a second by mid game.

Frontlines was the only thing left in the game I loved doing so oh well, another thing taken away.

The +2/+10 BH generation dates all the way back to Frontline's introduction in 2.3. PvP was an entirely different game mode back then.
+4/+8 just makes it so that if you die, you have a chance of catching up mid-fight; it also gives a much better chance for supports to gain 100 BH.

[Themarvin]

More fun now and more intense.

[Eastwall]

I like mch with bravery. Can't wait until next mogtome event So l can try it in rw. I do remember getting kills recharges your lb, and dying in there doesn't look stacks, and there are less built-in mitigation!

[Mistress_Irika]

Good. People being able to soak the damage of half an alliance wailing on them was always lame.

They made the mistake of adding Bloodbath then. I can go back to playing Blue DPS somewhat. Only thing that saves folks from me pulling it off entirely is stuns stacking on each other.

sad. you're probably the only person in all of Eorzea who actually enjoys frontlines

If I had the choice today between leveling my classes through roulettes and leveling my classes solely through pvp I'll take the 2nd option. I personally don't like the direction that frontlines has been going. However, it's not the worse activity to do. I did have a period where I would play frontlines every day from daily reset to 3 in the morning, sometimes 5. That's how enjoyable it was to me.

[JokoCGN]

oof nah..
Times of mogtome and new series are hell in general. Everyone joins despite wanting to do PvP for itself, just getting rewards. 72 join, 50 are horrible in gameplay overall.
New PvP role actions and BH +2/+8 making it worse. Some peeps staying BH <20 for a whole game. However this is possible.

But as long as there are tomes and all to grind without any preparedness, FL won't get any better anymore. But that's not because of PvP modes itself.

[Raenra]

Played bard in pvp since they added the new pvp series, and it's easily the worst it's ever been.

It's a zero impact support-job, but at least I had survivability. Now that's gone completely out the window.
The support part doesn't matter because everyone does huge damage regardless, and if anyone focuses me I rarely survive long enough to shield, which doesn't even really help at all.

This season's been the anti-fun.

[Exmo]

Played bard in pvp since they added the new pvp series, and it's easily the worst it's ever been.

It's a zero impact support-job, but at least I had survivability. Now that's gone completely out the window.
The support part doesn't matter because everyone does huge damage regardless, and if anyone focuses me I rarely survive long enough to shield, which doesn't even really help at all.

This season's been the anti-fun.

I've had the opposite experience. Bard is extremely easy to use effectively for assists and decently effective for kills. Zapping half the MP of a given target is a great way to get BH5 targets killed, or at the very least making them retreat and therefore pushing back the enemy line (on seal rock and the nadaam at least).

[Mawlzy]

I've seen bards regularly posting some pretty gaudy numbers. Seems like it's in a good place.

[Raenra]

I've had the opposite experience. Bard is extremely easy to use effectively for assists and decently effective for kills. Zapping half the MP of a given target is a great way to get BH5 targets killed, or at the very least making them retreat and therefore pushing back the enemy line (on seal rock and the nadaam at least).

Absolutely. Nothing's changed about Bard's kit, it's not worse. Just the environment in which Bard exists has changed.
When we had to whittle down every target, draining half their mana was massive.
But with burst being so high across the board, these tools aren't as relevant anymore. They're not needed to secure kills, since kills happen so fast regardless.

Since a large amount of Bard 'budget' goes towards team-buffs, cleanse, root, silence, mana-sap, the price we paid was having relatively trash damage.
This was also somewhat mitigated since being a 'safe' job, we could usually get and keep the battle-high buff.
But with burst being so high, our survivability is less, and so while getting battle-high is easier than ever, keeping it is a lot less reliable.