People don’t realize how easy it is to get into raiding in this game

[miraidensetsu]

I can say for me. I don't enter on raiders because:

1. My main job is WHM. I think first thing they'll tell me is to equip AST soul stone. I think raiding guys won't accept a White Mage, specially when he's new at raiding.

2. 200ms lag doesn't help me.

3. I have no experience raiding. So I have no parse in my name, much less an orange parse. And to be even considered viable I must have one of those.

4. Equips: I must have BiS gear. Or I'll be kicked asap. Leniency with gear? Only if I already proved myself.

5. And healer is not even needed depending on the content. Even less the worse of them.

[Mawlzy]

I agree that end game fight design is getting a little tired at this point. the main point of my thread was that for people who are interested in entering pf raiding , there is almost no requirements.

I think this is correct, which reinforces what the real issue is. The majority of players on NA/EU simply have no interest in raiding.

The more difficult question is whether that is primarily the result of fight design, or that raiding requires time commitment and coordination.

[Nero-Voidstails]

honestly I used to raid and did some before Shb dropped but I did most in shb but I started to notice that well other theny memories nothing was really challenged like other then gear I don't see the point anymore. I am also a old school MMO player and I just miss making memories and not just raiding for a reward that will be shit in a couple months like other then mount you get glams and that's all. I don't say it isn't fun to see the big numbers but I feel like big numbers and sometime a ugly month isn't really meaning much.


if you enjoy raiding we'll have fun and enjoy it but I think the challenge part have been mostly removed all job have been made to fit those fight like before it was the fight being balanced around the job when job felt unique and not all the same with tiny variations. like ultimate other then a title and a weapon what do you get more? like yes they are hard but you will mostly watch a guide for hours then use it into the game while adapting your rotation to it. I miss the old skills the old fight the more we move forward the less unique the fight feels I have more fun doing stormblood extreme and savage then any other fight that come after because there is real mechanic and not just remember and adapt. to me it is why I am turned off of raiding and the fact that next 7.X patch your gear will be thrown in the trash

[CCheshire]

I think this is correct, which reinforces what the real issue is. The majority of players on NA/EU simply have no interest in raiding.

The more difficult question is whether that is primarily the result of fight design, or that raiding requires time commitment and coordination.

I guess it's just in even in old extremes it's 100% possible to completely wipe the group and then have the party collapse due to the same 1 person, which is stressful. I do die in reg content too, since I find it overwhelming, but mostly the party will be OK after saving me later.

Not sure if healing or tanking is more complex or not, probably since it's hard to save everyone from their mistakes too.

[Boblawblah]

Mao has similar feelings as whats Fufuka and Gwenkatsu has. Boss fights, ALL boss fights (in trials, dungeons and raids), have been gettings faster and faster ever since ShB. EW was very hard on Mao. DT was nightmare for Mao. Mao is old and has Parkinson's Disease. Mao can not keep ups with ever increasing speed of boss fights. Is why Mao nopes out of boss fights and thens decided to nopes out of game. Game has changed too much for Mao to even be able to play. Mao sad....

Mao adds addendum: Mao findings dungeons, delves and raids in WoW to be very doable and much funs. Mao happys agains!

If Mao's happy, I'm happy.

Mao, question, how friendly is WoW raiding/dungeons/delves for people that have ...let's call it crippling social anxiety? Random matched groups I can do, but guilds or PF, nope.

[Jeeqbit]

1. My main job is WHM. I think first thing they'll tell me is to equip AST soul stone. I think raiding guys won't accept a White Mage, specially when he's new at raiding.

White Mage has always been a very popular healer. It's arguably way easier to play. The raid buffs on AST are useful for the party, but I've never seen anyone specifically look for an AST over a WHM in PF at least. And while some statics may get picky, plenty of those don't care either.

2. 200ms lag doesn't help me.

Usually isn't going to be a problem. If there is any sort of ping-sensitive mechanic, the worst is usually a vuln stack or a damage down and as a healer you're not exactly contributing most of the damage anyway.

3. I have no experience raiding. So I have no parse in my name, much less an orange parse. And to be even considered viable I must have one of those.

Can start with extremes, and just say you're new to raiding. May help to watch guides and look at thepfstrat.com to understand common raid terminology for each fight.

You don't need orange, that's ridiculous. 99% of people have a mixture of blue and greens, with occasional purples when there's a good party or good RNG. Having anything beyond that means the person went out of their way to reach for numbers, often in a party specifically setup to get them, and to what end? Number measuring contest at that point, and completely unnecessary.

You've also gotta consider that if you don't have the max item level, your colors won't look as good, comparatively, to someone that is. So you can be not getting purples or orange purely on the basis of your lack of gear, which is why it's not really worth obsessing over that much when starting out.

4. Equips: I must have BiS gear. Or I'll be kicked asap. Leniency with gear? Only if I already proved myself.

Well you can't when your starting the raid tier... you can only really have melded crafted gear, and maybe tomestone gear if you've been getting that each week. So that's all a myth.

5. And healer is not even needed depending on the content. Even less the worse of them.

There are people that clear raids without a healer but they are really good players and it's usually just 1 or 2 parties that make a video about it that goes viral. In an average party you're still gonna bring healers in most cases. Rarely, we have an extreme trial where we take only 1 healer but usually we still take at least 1.

[Eraden]

If Mao's happy, I'm happy.

Mao, question, how friendly is WoW raiding/dungeons/delves for people that have ...let's call it crippling social anxiety? Random matched groups I can do, but guilds or PF, nope.

Bunny will be happys to hear that all Mao dungeons and raids was dones in PUGs! Nobodys ever complained abouts Mao or anyone else in the groups Mao was in! Mao did delves with friends buts peoples whats playing WoW, tells Mao that delves can be done solo, depending on class (job).

Ohh, Mao gots lost one time in dungeon and rest of party members patiently waited for Mao to catch ups.

Also, Mao gets to be REAL Dragon and barf fires and fly.

[Boblawblah]

Bunny will be happys to hear that all Mao dungeons and raids was dones in PUGs! Nobodys ever complained abouts Mao or anyone else in the groups Mao was in! Mao did delves with friends buts peoples whats playing WoW, tells Mao that delves can be done solo, depending on class (job).

Ohh, Mao gots lost one time in dungeon and rest of party members patiently waited for Mao to catch ups.

Also, Mao gets to be REAL Dragon and barf fires and fly.

leave it to Mao to start to convince me to try WoW of all games...

[Asari5]

so... whats the point in that third-person-speech?

[Jeeqbit]

so... whats the point in that third-person-speech?

Some MMORPG players like to be in character 100% of the time, even when having mechanical conversations. Kinda a rare thing but you come across it once in a while.