FF14 players are content with the slop because they barely play other games

[AllenThyl]

MMO as a genre is dead. Move on.

Yeah people, dead! I mean, this game is basically only kept alive by a single forum clown who buys dozens of service accounts with all expansion and corresponding subscriptions each month just to continue whining on the forum about this game!

Words of wisdom, completely true! Don't spend your time and money on a game you don't like, or worse, hang out in a forum of a game you don't like just to whine about said game for years on end. It would just make you look like a clown, wouldn't it?

[CVXIV]

But if someone can list other MMORPGs that are better and what specifically makes them better, it could be I'll find a new MMORPG to play until FFXIV swings back to what it was like in the past when it comes to story/aesthetic (if it ever does).

If all people are doing is throwing out a mysterious other MMORPG as a reason for the devs to do better without having knowledge and experience of a specific better game, then we're all having our time wasted. The devs aren't going to be motivated by threats of players moving to another game that doesn't exist.

I can't say they're better, but I do really enjoy GW2 from time to time, though I've always been fond of the WvW game mode and that's really all I do. The crafting is a lot more tedious and I think it's harder to get everything on one character which FFXIV has spoiled me on.

Neverwinter is also a lot of fun, but it is extremely grindy.
From what I can remember you have to get to a certain gear score to unlock later maps, and certain maps have what I think are reward tracks that you have to do dailies to unlock and get passive stats for

It's been a very long time since I played it though, but if you hadn't heard of it then it might be worth checking out. It's based on D&D from what I remember, and does have some annoying practices with its DLC like having one of the races being pay2win in the Dragonborn but it's not something you really need most of the time

I wish the Dragon Quest MMO would make a comeback, but they made it into a single-player experience. I used to play a private server for SMT IMAGINE but that got taken down.

AION could be worth looking into since I think they have a classic version, but you only get 2 or so hours of free play before it severely reduces your EXP and money gain. The only way to get around it is to pay for a subscription iirc

I know this isn't really the point you were trying to make, but I hope the suggestions are worth looking into and seeing if you might enjoy them. They're older MMOs I used to really enjoy back in the day before I stuck with FFXIV

[CVXIV]

MMO as a genre is dead. Move on.

Go play single player open world games if you want something to grind. Go play multiplayer games like Helldivers 2 if you want to party up with friends. There's a reason the kids aren't playing MMOs, and it's not because they are kids. It's because the MMO genre only survives by pulling older gamers in with nostalgia. If you want value for money there are a ton of indie games out there.

The unfortunate truth
It's why there's not many new MMOs coming out
I'm hoping Ashes of Creation will actually release and be good, but the devs seem way too ambitious that I'm concerned they might be biting off more they can chew

[CCheshire]

You've been whining for over 6 years, clown-senpai. However old you were then, you are now 6 years older, whining constantly non-stop about a video game. In 6 years, you will still be whining, every day, whole year around, about everything, won't you? Just whining. Whining whining whining. You go through dozens of accounts in a year just to whine on the forums. "Stockholm Syndrome", the full-time whiner says, already setting up the next account for when this one will get banned, just to continue whining.

He is truly the most tsundere of FFXIV fans. His dedication to keep re-registering every alt for forums, buying the complete edition, then level skip them all so he can complain about the award-winning MMO every single day for years to fellow players is amazing.

[Jojoya]

MMO as a genre is dead. Move on.

Go play single player open world games if you want something to grind. Go play multiplayer games like Helldivers 2 if you want to party up with friends. There's a reason the kids aren't playing MMOs, and it's not because they are kids. It's because the MMO genre only survives by pulling older gamers in with nostalgia. If you want value for money there are a ton of indie games out there.

I mean I know you're just doing this as troll bait as you always do.

But I don't care if someone thinks it's a dead genre. I play MMORPGs because I enjoy MMORPGs. I also play other games because I enjoy those as well.

The last thing I'm going to do is expect to get the same experience from a MMORPG as I can get from a single player indie game because it's the different experience I'm looking for.

The unfortunate truth
It's why there's not many new MMOs coming out
I'm hoping Ashes of Creation will actually release and be good, but the devs seem way too ambitious that I'm concerned they might be biting off more they can chew

MMORPG is not dead as a genre.

The reason you don't see many new ones coming out is money. They're extremely expensive to make. If someone doesn't have the personal wealth and/or backing investors, they're not going to be able to get a MMORPG into a release state that will satisfy players.

Part of that is because there are so many old MMORPGs still running, they've built up hundreds if not thousands of hours of content for players to do. Players expect all MMORPGs to have that amount of content.

A new MMORPG is not going to be able to provide the amount of content a player is expecting at release. Even old MMORPGs aren't able to provide as much new content as players will demand when a content update is released. Looking at these forums and the WoW forums shows that. Players just will not be satisfied at the same time they refuse to go play other games to get their satisfaction.

There's no point in creating a new MMORPG if it's not going to get a large enough player base that will stick around to cover the expense of making the game.

Our neighborhood troll does have one good point. We all need to be playing other games to see what else is out there and to get enough new content to sate our gaming appetite. A single game is not going to do it once we've consumed what it has to offer.

[JohnConstantine]

MMORPG is not dead as a genre.

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Reality is bashing you in the face. Even the biggest white knight on the forum now admits that she finds no enjoyment in this game.

I can't generate enough interest anymore to make it worth paying a subscription.

And yet, all you can do is deny reality and call me a troll. Isn't that sad?

Face reality. MMOs are dead. Why do you think Square Enix isn't investing in FF14? They may have made some stupid decisions like Forspoken, but they are not that stupid to sink more resources into a dying genre. Move on.

I'm hoping Ashes of Creation will actually release and be good

Yeah, no. It's not that they're biting more off than they can chew. It's that they have not shown any compelling gameplay other than zergswarms.

That kind of brainless zergswarm will be boring one week in.

[Jojoya]

Face reality. MMOs are dead. Why do you think Square Enix isn't investing in FF14?

You need to face reality yourself.

If they were dead, no one would be playing them. But millions of players (collectively across all active MMOs) still do. It's not just the nostalgia factor. It's because of the social experience that single player games don't offer.

If SE wasn't investing in FFXIV, there wouldn't be new content getting added to the game. Players might feel the investment should be higher than it is but there is still an investment being made.

[JohnConstantine]

Do your knees hurt from jumping to conclusions?

Raiding is the only thing in the game I really care about, if they cut the content I would unsub.

Treating everyone having fun with the current tier like a moron is crazy lmao.

Actually you:


Also saying that we never criticize the game is also crazy, I have voiced my problems with this game many times and will continue to do so because fun fact, you can care about something and voice problems with how things are going!

Fortunately though, this raid tier has been a lot of fun so far, and if you're so far gone that you doom spiral at the sight of other people enjoying something you need to touch grass.

I mean, you're a literal ShB baby and never cleared any tier before EW. So, like, you would be content at any slop thrown at you, so this:

this raid tier has been a lot of fun so far

is really expected. As was said, a prisoner would enjoy a burnt lump of charcoal because they never really had any better.

You need to face reality yourself.

If they were dead, no one would be playing them. But millions of players (collectively across all active MMOs) still do. It's not just the nostalgia factor. It's because of the social experience that single player games don't offer.

If SE wasn't investing in FFXIV, there wouldn't be new content getting added to the game. Players might feel the investment should be higher than it is but there is still an investment being made.

Feel free to argue about how one should define "dying". I see that your one second of consciousness has lapsed and you're back into the zealous stupor.

[Rithy255]

I sort of agree that if you only play ff14, you become unaware of it's flaws I used to see ff14 as this "perfect game" a while back when endwalker was new, but now I see the flaws in a lot of things.

My main issue is how boring and bland the job design is personally I feel as if they fixed that and actually focus on making jobs interact with the content itself and making this game less of a DDR simulator with a actual open world then it would be fun, sadly it lacks a lot. The content itself can be fun but without a actual job design system it falls flat and isn't interesting to me personally.

I think people are slowly starting to see its flaws though, not everyone is that psyched up about the game as much as people used to be, I think slowly without major changes the game will keep heading in the downward direction it has been heading for a while now.

I myself have mostly been playing other games and having fun, I might just let my sub run out I usually get a lot of time on it at once. I can't be bothered anymore to just wait until 8.0 where everything will magically solve my issues with the game, I got other stuff to play.

[gw1fan]

Just a curious, genuine question: what do you enjoy playing? What do you find fun?