Garuda's Wings Clipped: "Where The Wind Blows"

[Arcell]

if it's a core flaw with the community - with any mmo endgame community - then we set off nothing actually. it's just the flow of expected events taking shape and then being played out. again let people be sheep if they want to - it's only hurting them in the long run by not thinking for themselves.

True and again I agree with you for the most part. However, just keep in mind how the community works and your influence on it next time. If I were in your shoes, I'd post a world 1st screenshot with all jobs represented, regardless of how you actually did it. It may be a lie but it at least gives people hope

[SynysterBlitz]

Lmao WUT?! Who's crying over class stacking? Not i lol.

And I only have so much time. Yes I could learn more by playing more classes but I just dont have the time/desire to do so. My goal in life is not to be a master of ffxiv. I have a lot of interests, so yes I have to limit how far I get in some areas. I'm perfectly happy with that though. I recently picked up arc but I imagine itll stop there. I *might* do monk but i'd rather just learn lnc/arc and gear them accordingly. With a melee class, and a ranged class, its highly unlikely ill ever be excluded from content.

Don't imply that the ambitions of people who try to be versatile want to be masters of FF14.. I have a life, work, music, friends, women, you get the drift? but with how easy it is to level, whether you're a casual or not it doesn't take much time.. especially if you plan to play this game with long term in mind...

Don't bring in the life card.. cause that means shit all..

[Richard_BG]

True and again I agree with you for the most part. However, just keep in mind how the community works and your influence on it next time. If I were in your shoes, I'd post a world 1st screenshot with all jobs represented, regardless of how you actually did it. It may be a lie but it at least gives people hope

yeah not gonna happen. not gonna walk on eggshells around a flawed community or deceive anyone just so we can take less flack from butthurts.

[Xoo]

who did we leave behind?

First of all, I'm not pointing fingers at you or anyone else on this subject. What I'm trying to say is, of course you can take any mob down with any combination of jobs, but who wants a Paladin when you can have a Warrior?; Who wants a Lancer when you can have a Black Mage?; Who wants a Monk when you can have a Bard?

[SwordCoheir]

I'd agree it's prolly better off to not post the strat anytime soon, just to give people a decent chance try it out on their own and get their feet wet. Posting a strat is only going to push the majority of the populace to try that strat in order to win, and if they find out it works really well then it will curb their desire to find more efficient methods.

I'm not saying there won't be exceptions to this, my shell never could win with BG strats without already having a number of wins under our belt. I'm not so blind to not see that when your shell tends to be the first to succeed at something you become the standard, when you become the standard people tend to copy your methods in order to copy your success. If your method for success goes with the typical BLM/BRD over other jobs (which is grossly apparent with most content nowadays), people will obviously want them for that content over other jobs, and many people are just plain bullheaded to try it with anything other than the best KNOWN methods for success.

@ Richard_BG: I couldn't help but notice the win was in speed run time. Could you give us some rough time estimates of your more job diversified groups that got her ~20% before you lost?

I think that will help curb some of the backlash if they had some info and could see that it's possible to bring her down in the same time efficient manner as a stacked BLM/BRD setup, if nothing else it will state my own curiosity.

[Lux_Rayna]

Don't imply that the ambitions of people who try to be versatile want to be masters of FF14.. I have a life, work, music, friends, women, you get the drift? but with how easy it is to level, whether you're a casual or not it doesn't take much time.. especially if you plan to play this game with long term in mind...

Don't bring in the life card.. cause that means shit all..

I know you're trying really hard to draw me into a troll fight or something but I'm not arguing your point at all. Im just saying your way isnt my way, and im not going to complain about the consequences of my playstyle. What exactly is your issue with me again? Just curious lol

EDIT: I mean really, is there somethign inherently bad about me only playing 2 classes? And if im not grinding im mining. Thus I say I dont really have time. I'm not trying to say my life > yours...im jus sayin I spend my time the way I do, and it does not allow for me to be lvling all the classes. It just doesn't. Thats not even fun for me, and why would i play a game in a way thats not fun?

[DevilsAdvocate]

as for the topic, im convinced ppl are trolling. Melees do very well on Garuda, the only reason BG did what BG did was because those were the roles that worked best for their players. You know how many blm/brd/war stacked parties I saw wipe at even easy Garuda? Quite a few. Its sad. The mistake ppl are going to make is that they'll play too conservatively. From waht ive experienced one whm is more than enough. Outside of gimmicks like AV with the poison, you wont need more than 1 whm for much of anything.

Next, Garuda is very melee dps friendly. Its not like Ifrit who 360 aoes every 3 seconds. Garuda is pretty kind....at least until she goes berserk. After that you just gotta kill her before you all get killed. 2 whms, 3 whms, that shit cannot be outhealed. She will fuck your shit up unless you are hyper offensive.

We run AV with 1 WHM as well.

[Velhart]

if it's a core flaw with the community - with any mmo endgame community - then we set off nothing actually. it's just the flow of expected events taking shape and then being played out. again let people be sheep if they want to - it's only hurting them in the long run by not thinking for themselves.

Honestly most setups work perfectly fine on Garuda. It is mostly about hiding behind rocks and killing the adds when they pop, then go back to DPS'ing down Garuda as fast as possible. It does come more down to how well geared you are this time. Your group won because you had a bunch of well geared BLM's. I can tell you, a group of BLM's who are not that geared well will not have the same outcome as you.

Have people really looked at what is difficult about Garuda? It certainly isn't anything that makes us think we need a cookie cutter setup. Our setup is WARx2/WHM/BRDx2/DPSx3 and we get through the first phase most of the time. 2nd phase is a different story, we are still trying to figure out that part.

But in short, all I am saying is, what may work for someone else may not work for your group. This fight does not call for a cookie cutter setup in my opinion, and I wouldn't blame BG or SE if you think the only way to go is cookie cutter, because it simply isn't true. People have a hard time accepting that SE may have gotten it right this time.

[Richard_BG]

First of all, I'm not pointing fingers at you or anyone else on this subject. What I'm trying to say is, of course you can take any mob down with any combination of jobs, but who wants a Paladin when you can have a Warrior?; Who wants a Lancer when you can have a Black Mage?; Who wants a Monk when you can have a Bard?

We ALL want to use PLD the problem is it's inefficient to atm with it being nerfed so heavily. I guarantee you that in 1.22a/b when they nerf WAR and buff PLD we will use PLD to main tank. We're all about efficiency and atm WAR is a better tank so we use it. We use multiple MNKs on Mistress we use multiple LNC on Princess. It depends on the encounter and on the situation and who's in your party. You seem to think the classes are heavily unbalanced in all content yet fail to realize that they are more balanced then they've ever been and each has it's own special place in every encounter.

@ Richard_BG: I couldn't help but notice the win was in speed run time. Could you give us some rough time estimates of your more job diversified groups that got her ~20% before you lost?

I think that will help curb some of the backlash if they had some info and could see that it's possible to bring her down in the same time efficient manner as a stacked BLM/BRD setup, if nothing else it will state my own curiosity.

We never took her past 40% with our MNK/DRG/WAR/BRD/BLM/WHM setup mainly because servers went down. We discussed and analyzed what we had accomplished so far, broke down each phase and how we could change the party setup to benefit us the most on our next attempts. Then we rolled with what we changed. Video will be up sometime today so you'll have a better idea then.

[Ruisu]

Honestly most setups work perfectly fine on Garuda. It is mostly about hiding behind rocks and killing the adds when they pop, then go back to DPS'ing down Garuda as fast as possible. It does come more down to how well geared you are this time. Your group won because you had a bunch of well geared BLM's. I can tell you, a group of BLM's who are not that geared well will not have the same outcome as you.

Most setups work fine for everything. It's more about learning the strategy with a certain setup.