More race-specific environmental novelties please

[Azurarok]

Wasn’t there some mechanics that inflicted the Mini status effect? We already have the technology lol. Maybe it could be an emote that shrinks the character to tiny size? I think in FF3 there’s a Mallet item that inflicts Mini, so maybe they could reference that by having a magical hammer squish your character into mini size? That’d be pretty fun lol

The first and third Gilgamesh fights have it, as does the Lugae fight in Tower of Babil, to name a few.

The mallet seems like a potentially good key item to have around like the aether compass. It's even used in a few Mana games

[Shougun]

On one end this is roleplay is what I've been screaming is sucking the soul from the game, so I like the post. On the other end I feel racial specific things is one of the least concerns we have for roleplay as job and general content would benefit so many more players instantly. So I'm a little conflicted lol.

Also personally I'd add toys that allow you to mimic those races, like max ranking the dwarves gives you a potion that can shrink you to lala size. Then add a few more of those gimmicks, like a few random dwarf cave holes that have some interesting things, like a camp that gives you a once a day 10% exp rested bonus.... While you're lala size.

If we can, even after some effort (like max rank dwarf), mitigate the race thing then I would be more inclined. Main reason as unlike wow here you are not running many races, only one character. So race specific stuff is far more binding / difficult to work around if meaningful, unlike WoW (especially after warbands).

Other ideas then (with the assumption there can be mitigation).

- Female dance stage at the miners guild (mitigation is you strike a pose in dancing attire, then they'll accept you as male)

- Hrothgar only spa, spending 10 minutes grants a 24 hour extra Regen tick (does not work in instanced content that does not have epic echo). Mitigate by wearing gear tagged with furry descriptions.

- rollercoaster (your idea) with height requirements. Mitigate through anything that makes you larger and also the npc will look away every so often, while looking away you can sneak on.

- MSQ / side quest responses. Like Cyberpunk or BG3, add race specific response options. Sometimes they add challenges sometimes they remove them. Same quest rewards ultimately but there may be delays. Like in Costa Del Sol being dressed in beach wear or being female will make some token cost item free for the first purchase. Saving the player about an half hour of time.

Stuff like that maybe. Though like I said I'm a little mixed because I would like SE to start this roleplay pass at the jobs / game world and I feel racial things would be cherry on top type ideas.

[Valence]

- Race specific little boni that allow you to do something a little better without making other races unable to do achieve the same goal: sure, that's a positive addition.
- Race specific things that prevent other races to do something period: no, that's subtractive design.

[Mawlzy]

- Race specific little boni that allow you to do something a little better without making other races unable to do achieve the same goal: sure, that's a positive addition.
- Race specific things that prevent other races to do something period: no, that's subtractive design.

Maybe "More environmental novelties please" would be a better ask?

Or just novelties.

Or a novelty.

[Exmo]

Maybe "More environmental novelties please" would be a better ask?

Or just novelties.

Or a novelty.

The race-specific novelties are fun partially because not everyone can do them. I've have fun with some friends rampaging around a little house trying to get into it while the only lala of the group cheekily suggested we just use the door. You don't have to be able to 100% the game to appreciate it. Sometimes you can enjoy the little lala house by empathizing and goofing around with your friends.

[Lilapop]

I uh, think that might be a little outside of their remit ...

They do have those Lalafell/Dwarven houses ...

I get the point you were trying to make but you contradict yourself in your very next sentence.

[Connor]

I get the point you were trying to make but you contradict yourself in your very next sentence.

It was a joke

[Shougun]

Maybe "More environmental novelties please" would be a better ask?

Or just novelties.

Or a novelty.

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...-Other-MMOs%29


:3


Probably going to just post a /table flip one that says "dont care about balance" and ask people to come up with neat gimmicks and let the balance team, metaphorically, be damned. Getting a bit tired of the same ice cream but eating with a different utensil, feeling.

The race-specific novelties are fun partially because not everyone can do them. I've have fun with some friends rampaging around a little house trying to get into it while the only lala of the group cheekily suggested we just use the door. You don't have to be able to 100% the game to appreciate it. Sometimes you can enjoy the little lala house by empathizing and goofing around with your friends.

Not that it is paramount but curious if you were opposed to my 'generally there are forms of mitigation' idea. Like I would want to expand the number of things the dwarves have to offer their like sized folk, but then at some point (my example, max rank dwarves tribe unlocks a shrinking potion toy) other players could get involved. Things I'd have no qualms at all on are minor time shifters, like if you're an Au Ra doing a quest in a racist part of Limsa / Ul'dah and so the quest giver spits on the ground and asks for an extra two rabbit pelts. Or if you're a Miqote and the quest giver is a horn dog, or its like a Manderville fight and you're a highlander that strips the armor which when struck by an oil spell causes you to gain a massive buff (offsetting lack of armor, and then some).

What I would be more worried about seeing given this is not WoW, where each job is also a race, are things that totally lock you out of awesome mechanics. Like you just can't talk to spirits cause you're not a dunesfolk attuned to the sands, and this prevents you from earning a cool minion. Or you can't become dancer cause you're not a Viera. Maybe making a WoW example, you can't use a special form of fast travel cause you're not an iron dwarf. Because our system is very much ONE CHARACTER focused, I would be worried about 'the wrong choice' permanently haunting you. In WoW, especially due to warbands, this is honestly a minor issue. In FFXIV, such larger meaningful differences could cause a huge regret.


I would like to see these exist in a general job and environment sense though. If you have engineer trait (unlocked through level 60 gold, black, and armor-smith) your magitek have additional customization (normal NPC can do most, but a few unique ones are unlocked by the WoL being the engineer). Dragoon can hyper jump, and therefore they can unlock portions of the map other jobs w/o flying may have to wait on. Ninja grants subterfuge quests that are 'classic' assassins creed / Thief (game) for special rewards, they can also unlock chests and some shortcut doors in dungeons.

[Exmo]

Not that it is paramount but curious if you were opposed to my 'generally there are forms of mitigation' idea. (...)

I like the race-based ideas. Being able to obtain an item to temporarily compensate for racial differences is fun and makes the game world feel more creative.

Not such a fan of the job-based novelties because as people play the game and naturally level up their jobs, the requirements for having certain jobs unlocked and levelled vanishes, making the novelty imperceptible.

[Mawlzy]

Have there ever been attempts to include zone-based differences? Right now, you have can/can't fly and mount speed, both of which resolve to the same thing, so that movement over all maps is the same. I would think lore-based changes between zones would be easy enough (aether density etc).

Many have observed how underutilized the open world is. Maybe environmental effects or zone-specific quirks might be a step in the right direction?