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  1. #41
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    Jeeqbit's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Connor View Post
    The drama of finding and coordinating 24 savage raiders within the same party sounds absolutely hilarious lol. Imagine the mandatory Discord voice chats lol…
    They sure seem to be pushing this ‘savage 24 man’ barely anyone will do because who tf has 23 savage raiding friends just waiting around to prog content lol. I mean, what if you don’t have a static lol? Imagine progging in PF with a different set of 23 people every time.
    Despite everything you said there, people already coordinate 48-person raids on discord in the form of Baldesion Arsenal and Delubrum Reginae (Savage). Everyone is not required to talk and they'd probably prefer most people to be quiet so the person doing callouts can be heard. If you have something to say, there are shout/alliance/party chats as well.

    And people clear savage raids themselves without voice chatting. It's an option to reduce wipes a bit, but not exactly necessary.
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  2. #42
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    Aurelie Moonsong
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valencienne View Post
    - Striking, Aiming, and Scouting are... ???
    Quote Originally Posted by SkankyRoe View Post
    My first thought was Lamashtu, and looking at it some more it kinda resembles Siren as well.
    My first thought was "Scylla but with a bird motif" (as someone else suggested earlier but I've misplaced that quote) but then I saw people say it was a siren and I think that seems most likely.

    So if two of the three outfits are generic classes of voidsent then it seems rather odd to have Diabolos in there at all. It feels like a better path could have been using the armoured "blackguard" as the tank outfit and then have Diabolos as an additional glamour set.
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  3. #43
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reimmi View Post
    I hate to be rude but, for the other 80% of players

    not that its acceptable, but there's still plenty reason to make helmets
    Give it time and it could eventually be more than 50% o/
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  4. #44
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    Quote Originally Posted by VeyaAkemi View Post
    6 out of 8 races, including the most popular options, can wear helmets just fine, I get it sucks for you, but a very overwhelming majority of players can wear all helmets and hats the game has to offer.
    or they could have put out a competent product, then we wouldn't even have a problem. if its such a small problem, when why not delay the race for the small amount of players so they arent excluded almost every patch.
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  5. #45
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    Quote Originally Posted by Connor View Post
    The drama of finding and coordinating 24 savage raiders within the same party sounds absolutely hilarious lol. Imagine the mandatory Discord voice chats lol…
    They sure seem to be pushing this ‘savage 24 man’ barely anyone will do because who tf has 23 savage raiding friends just waiting around to prog content lol. I mean, what if you don’t have a static lol? Imagine progging in PF with a different set of 23 people every time.

    If it’s easy enough that it can be completed in DF by non-raiders, what’s the point of labelling it savage lol? That’d just cause even more complaints from raiders screaming about normal content parading as savage+
    Yeah SE has created a lose-lose situation for no apparent reason.
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  6. #46
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeeqbit View Post
    Despite everything you said there, people already coordinate 48-person raids on discord in the form of Baldesion Arsenal and Delubrum Reginae (Savage). Everyone is not required to talk and they'd probably prefer most people to be quiet so the person doing callouts can be heard. If you have something to say, there are shout/alliance/party chats as well.

    And people clear savage raids themselves without voice chatting. It's an option to reduce wipes a bit, but not exactly necessary.
    And this is what fraction of the playerbase? <1%?
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  7. #47
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hypnotic13371337 View Post
    Give it time and it could eventually be more than 50% o/
    I don't understand why you think that is ever going to happen...

    I get you like Hrothgar a lot, but it is very much not a mass appeal race, it is niche by its nature, in fact something that was intensely discussed in the lead up to Hrothgals is that people did not want a version of the race that was aimed for "mass appeal", because then you would end up with just slightly taller Miqo'te, plus the role of multiple races is explicitly so there is something for everyone, if someone likes buff ladies, they are more likely to play fem Roe or Highlander than Hrothgals, you specifically need that overlap of a furry who is also into buff women.

    This would leave the burden of catering to the majority solely on Viera, and it hasn't happened after so many years, so it likely won't, don't get me wrong, Viera is very popular, but it has trouble matching even the numbers of Au Ra, much less the juggernaut that is Miqo'te.

    Then there is people who are simply attached to their own race, which is also many, and would never switch over even if they like Hrothgar, they are just so used to how their character look, you can't convince them to change, I am one such person, there is exactly one Final Fantasy race that could make me switch, and it isn't in the game(it's Gria by the way, I would switch to Gria in a heartbeat, but we are supposed to never get another race, so assuming that stays true, I am this flavor of lizard forever).

    I do agree the state of Hroth and Viera is unacceptable and in a perfect world it would be repaired yesterday, but we don't live in that perfect world.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hypnotic13371337 View Post
    or they could have put out a competent product, then we wouldn't even have a problem. if its such a small problem, when why not delay the race for the small amount of players so they arent excluded almost every patch.
    Do not misunderstand me, you have every ounce of sympathy I can fit in my body for the situation, like I said, in a perfect world, just the statement of "These two races, one of which is niche, can't wear hats, they should stop making hats for the majority of players" is a bit too insane to me.
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  8. #48
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    Quote Originally Posted by VeyaAkemi View Post
    I don't understand why you think that is ever going to happen...
    I was saying that if they ever make more races, i dunno why they wouldn't also have this hat problem. I know they said these were the last races they were adding, but they have said a lot of things then went back on it later on.
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  9. #49
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mawlzy View Post
    And this is what fraction of the playerbase? <1%?
    If we go back in time to July 2021, Lucky Bancho revealed that 7.34% of people who had unlocked Bozja had cleared DRS, while 2.51% of overall active players had.

    According to FFXIVcollect, 3.2% of collectors have the Cerberus and 6.9% of collectors have Demi-Ozma. This is more than 1%, but the stat looks weak because it's taking into account players from ARR and HW who no longer play. So I'm going to try and balance it a bit.

    Going back to when the Cerberus released:
    24% have the P12 minion, 30% have the P8 minion and 35% have the P4 minion.
    8.9% have the Theilia minion, 16% have the Halone minion and 25% have the Aglaia minion.

    This probably reflects that P4 and Aglaia will show up on roulettes more often due to being earlier in their respective quest series, where we see 35% and 25% respectively. It remains around 35% ish for all the Shadowbringers normal and alliance raids.

    50% have Endwalker quest minion and 65% of them have the Shadowbringers quest minion, showing a huge amount of them are just MSQ players now or don't routinely play.

    So if we are especially generous and say the 31-32% of them that cleared the final ShB normal/alliance raid play at an endgame level enough to do a normal or alliance raid at least sometimes, the very same tier is when DRS released.

    27.9% of them will have cleared DRS by now if we used that as a baseline.

    So it depends which players you decide "count". It's not really fair to count people that stopped playing, trials, people that aren't through the MSQ or who only ever do MSQ and nothing else, for example, since it's not possible for them to even have it. They aren't even putting their hat in the ring for a chance at it.
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  10. #50
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    Zephyr Menodora
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    Healer top looks cool and different from the standard. I guess something to look forward to next expansion when it's trivial.
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