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    Quote Originally Posted by Daralii View Post
    Beings that didn't have souls and weren't made of aether(and didn't even have flesh or brains) were alive according to the Last Dregs quests, but maybe I just hallucinated 6.25.
    I think the issue there is that the Last Dregs are optional content, and the MSQ has always avoided having any significant involvement of optional content getting included. For example, people have talked about Unukalhai not having any involvement with things related to the 13th (where he's from and tried to save), but he's part of an optional questline, so the MSQ writers can't assume players know who he is or his story, hence he's not part of anything involving Zero's storyline. Likewise, in ShB he gets minorly involved, but again only in optional content (completing all of the role quests).

    The one time they decided that optional content was actually essential for the MSQ was the Crystal Tower series leading into ShB, and the result was making CT become mandatory. They'll only include in the MSQ things they can guarantee every player has already experienced.

    The info you bring up from the Last Dregs is optional side content from EW, so whether each of us individually likes it or not, it won't be considered relevant when writing MSQ stories.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CVXIV View Post
    I wasn't entirely certain which is why I had asked, so thank you for confirming it for me. I could've sworn that was the case but I didn't want to claim so without being sure.

    Yeah I believe the intent was to create a twisted sort of way of the Yok Huy's teachings, given that they are referenced when we learn about living on through people's memories but the story does have a lot of holes in it which I hope gets addressed later on, given that the story has yet to be truly resolved.

    I think if the Garleans had tried archon loaf they would have seen the errors of their ways.
    Truly the pinnacle of the culinary art.
    I'm pretty sure if the Garleans had tried archon loaf they would have dropped both moons on us. They would have gone full-Hermes. "If life is so precious, why do people eat archon loaf?"

    Quote Originally Posted by Striker44 View Post
    I think the issue there is that the Last Dregs are optional content, and the MSQ has always avoided having any significant involvement of optional content getting included. For example, people have talked about Unukalhai not having any involvement with things related to the 13th (where he's from and tried to save), but he's part of an optional questline, so the MSQ writers can't assume players know who he is or his story, hence he's not part of anything involving Zero's storyline. Likewise, in ShB he gets minorly involved, but again only in optional content (completing all of the role quests).

    The one time they decided that optional content was actually essential for the MSQ was the Crystal Tower series leading into ShB, and the result was making CT become mandatory. They'll only include in the MSQ things they can guarantee every player has already experienced.

    The info you bring up from the Last Dregs is optional side content from EW, so whether each of us individually likes it or not, it won't be considered relevant when writing MSQ stories.
    We're not saying side content needs to be in the MSQ, but the person writing it should know what happened in the side content and not directly contradict morals espoused in it and in Shadowbringers and in Endwalker. The hypocrisy of a group of people made up of the mutilated bits of another race to extend their existence wiping out people for being unnatural and inferior is mindblowing. Venat sundered the star so that humanity would not go gently into that good night. Then we look at people who altered themselves for the same reason with the same disgust and judgement with which Emet-Selch looked at us. And I know whoever wrote this is familiar with Shadowbringers because Sphene is Meteion saying Emet-Selch's lines. So how did they miss that the same argument we make against the Endless is the one Emet-Selch used to justify wiping us out.

    They say we need to learn to let go of the past while they keep churning out worse and worse retellings of the same story.
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