Would you be okay with 8.0 having no new jobs in exchange for a total job overhaul?

[Akira]

Just let us change jobs within the role after we've zoned into a duty like frontlines, that's all I want.

you used to be able to do that, they removed it for balance

[BabyYoda]

you used to be able to do that, they removed it for balance

And it is still not balance

Just look at dps jobs that have support capabilities vs selfish DPS jobs

Support jobs are crushing it in DT
PCT > BLM
MNK + Reaper > SAM + VPR
BRD > MCH


Selfish dps jobs are just downgrade version of support jobs and rDPS and nDPS isn't a correct measure it is not counting utility to party.

[Supersnow845]

And it is still not balance

Just look at dps jobs that have support capabilities vs selfish DPS jobs

Support jobs are crushing it in DT
PCT > BLM
MNK + Reaper > SAM + VPR
BRD > MCH


Selfish dps jobs are just downgrade version of support jobs and rDPS and nDPS isn't a correct measure it is not counting utility to party.

SAM+VPR are higher in rDPS than either MNK or RPR and the difference between PCT and BLM is functionally negligible

What’s the point of having rDPS and aDPS if the selfish jobs have to be best at both

[BabyYoda]

SAM+VPR are higher in rDPS than either MNK or RPR and the difference between PCT and BLM is functionally negligible

What’s the point of having rDPS and aDPS if the selfish jobs have to be best at both

The issue is we are trying to balance a measurement unitr which is rDPS and nDPS which it doesn't count the utility aspect of the jobs

For example picto heals isn't counting regen of Reaper isn't counting and monk party healing increase isn't counting
And many more utilities that isn't counting for other jobs

If we try to use rDPS and nDPS it will not be accurate measurement there are other factors are not counting

[Blazen20]

Yes they should stop releasing new classes and seriously look at the current state of their combat. There's a lot of outdated systems, that honestly need to kick the bucket and revitalized with something new (cough Crit melds)

[Supersnow845]

The issue is we are trying to balance a measurement unitr which is rDPS and nDPS which it doesn't count the utility aspect of the jobs

For example picto heals isn't counting regen of Reaper isn't counting and monk party healing increase isn't counting
And many more utilities that isn't counting for other jobs

If we try to use rDPS and nDPS it will not be accurate measurement there are other factors are not counting

If your reasoning for “only SAM VPR or BLM can ever be top DPS” is PCT’s Shield, or MNK’s healing up or RPR’s regen I’d just give utility to the selfish jobs than deal with an unbreakable meta of them being too DPS because it’s players are lazy at pressing support buttons

[BabyYoda]

If your reasoning for “only SAM VPR or BLM can ever be top DPS” is PCT’s Shield, or MNK’s healing up or RPR’s regen I’d just give utility to the selfish jobs than deal with an unbreakable meta of them being too DPS because it’s players are lazy at pressing support buttons

It would be funny to see black mage heal party lol

[Eraden]

It would be funny to see black mage heal party lol

Mao would be sad. Would mean end of an era. An end to rationalizings core meaning of what BLMs used to be with what BLMs would become. BLMs supposed to be symbols of pure destructive powers.

[BabyYoda]

Mao would be sad. Would mean end of an era. An end to rationalizings core meaning of what BLMs used to be with what BLMs would become. BLMs supposed to be symbols of pure destructive powers.

It will 100% destroy job identity being a selfish dps that uses forbiding magic to support party..
It is more fit to sacrifice party member to do 120s spell lol

[Eraden]

It will 100% destroy job identity being a selfish dps that uses forbiding magic to support party..
It is more fit to sacrifice party member to do 120s spell lol

Mao agrees! Mao would be oks with spell that requires Mao to eats party members, especially Bunnys (nots Fuzzy Cats though....thems for the pettings and the brushings of furs).