Sena Bryer is right: the hatred that Smile gets is highly problematic

[LuciferMournstar]

But you're being passive aggressive right now...

It's calling out hypocrisy, try to keep up.

[Gunz_Zbestest]

It's calling out hypocrisy, try to keep up.

Let it be known, you will respect a bigots right to bigotry. Now make way before you lose the respect givers respect.

[Gunz_Zbestest]

"one of the good ones" is not supposed to be a compliment omg

LOL it's the gift that keeps on giving.

[Decoyninja]

Sena wants to label people as racist for disliking a song. She wants to disrespect and label others she should expect disrespect back. I'll continue to use she as I have, but others don't have to. Sena doesn't get to demand respect while being a disrespectful vitriolic person.

Respect is earned, and Sena has done nothing worthy of it.

I don't buy it. Not from you or anyone else trying to give me this "respect is earned" crap. You would never try this "allowed bigotry towards assholes" reasoning with any other group. You wouldn't say "this black person was rude to me so I get to be racist, here's my favorite slurs." There is a reason for that, because the behavior would be more a reflection on you than the person you target. That's why I said the bigotry weakens any arguement the people participating hope to make.

You are in public. The people who read this isn't just Sena (she's never gonna see this anyway, let's be real). The people who see this are going to be other trans people who now get to know "oh, so my gender is only accepted until I do something you don't like" and it tells people that they were never really accepted to begin with if the condition was irrelevant to the identity. It shows you just don't say what you really think of them out loud until it's time to hurt them.

Nobody can read your mind to know if this is how you really feel, but this is what you communicate to others.

IDK, it's going to be hard for people to be accepting of a racist misogynist. You should go look through their X and read through all the tweets about their hatred of AFAB VAs that they work with. To be accepting of that is to share their sentiment to many people. She's just getting the same treatment she gives back at this point. She white, and has no right to talk for black people yeah? So anything black people throw at her should be perfectly fine for what she did.

Why are you proud of performative bigotry because you deemed someone else was performing it first? Why do you view acceptance of gender identity to be the equivalent of acceptance of one person's entire Twitter history if they fit the minority group in question?

Gonna add in that I think people are conflating respect for gender identity, psychology and general acceptance with respect for an individual. I don't see my calling Sena "her" as really respecting her, I'm just not disrespecting her or other readers by keeping to the correct pronouns. I'm just being normal. I've got no reason to try and hurt people I disagree with.

[Nestama]

Because they're emboldened. Trust me when I say it's better to just not engage with them and instead report them. It sucks, but it's the safest way :/

[PaulusHamsteru]

The song is great, but the singer ruins it. They should've went with the instrumental version.

[Nanchi]

The people who see this are going to be other trans people who now get to know "oh, so my gender is only accepted until I do something you don't like" and it tells people that they were never really accepted to begin with if the condition was irrelevant to the identity. It shows you just don't say what you really think of them out loud until it's time to hurt them.

You're completely correct. I think Sena is an awful human being and her behavior absolutely disgusts me, but some people in this and the previous thread use her behavior to display their own bigotry with the excuse of "Respect is earned, I think you suck so now I get to attack you as a person." whatever she identifies at, whatever her ideology is, shouldn't even matter. What matters is that she is a bigot and that behavior should never be tolerated or excused.
And that is why as soon as topics derail into identity politics I have to roll my eyes, you have one extreme like Sena, most unprofessional voice actress I've seen in this game and then you have insane nutjobs in this thread who use the outrage as an excuse to be bigots themselves. Normal players who don't tolerate her behavior get caught in the crossfire between two extremes and it just devolves into a mess, too many bad faith actors.

[ViaDesperare]

Why are you proud of performative bigotry because you deemed someone else was performing it first?

Why? Because of Susan Calloway. Remember when the community hunted her down, attacked her and the Con that was going to host her and now she hasn't been with SQX since October? Cheering on her death, making sure she wouldn't be able to work again and thus basically killing her. It's the same thing, but now it's just someone you care about. Don't you see? It may be slightly different but the things you do to other people can be done to you or the people you care about. The community hurt Susan, and now they're after Sena. Nothing's changed, they're as bloodthirsty as ever. You can't have rules for everyone else but allow yourself to be free. I'm just accepting what the community wants. Don't you see? You have a reason to hurt people you disagree with, because it's all selfish. You're just like me and everyone else, we're all messed up! It doesn't matter that Sena is trans when it comes to her being racist and misogynistic to the point of sabotaging other people's life and causing harm to them, she's going to get called out. People are going to use the misgendering to hurt her, because she hurt other people. The only way for it to stop, is for her to stop hurting other people which is easy to do but Sena won't do it. People won't respect cruel and evil people, and that's just how we are as humans. Sena being a horribly-evil person is why they keep misgendering and treating her so bad.

The only way to not have people be so cruel is have not happened at all, but the Susan Calloway event is going to push the right to attack Sena even more because they experienced the left attacking, Susan. That's just how it is. You can defend Sena all you want, but with the things Sena and the community has done, things are not going to go pleasantly. Once a war starts, it doesn't really end until one side has won. That's just how it is, and that's what the community has to deal with now. If Sena keeps posting her hot takes on X, this fighting will never end; especially if she attacks the player base each time. I'm just telling you the truth. The community is not nice, it's a cult that seeks to harm anyone who dislikes anything in FFXIV.

I'm not going to defend Sena. I will not misgendered her, though. I will hold her to the same standard as anyone else. If she wants to be a horrible person, then she'll have to deal with other people being horrible to her back. That's the only way for her to learn and stop being racist, misogynistic, and just plain evil to others.

I would like to hear your thoughts on her racist and misogynistic remarks and what should be done or punished like Susan Calloway with her losing her job for liking posts.

[Aword3213]

It’s mad over a pronoun.

[Batbrat]

Ultimately, all of this in my opinion stems from being forced to know waaay too much about stuff. Way too much info, and the additional stuff that we're now forced to know is never actually relevant to the core issues at hand.

Smile isn't as well received as prior songs.
This should be where it ends. That's just a fact. Some people like it, some people don't.
but then another layer gets forcefully added on.
"Smile is actually just like (insert race) music, which means if you don't like it, you're actually just racist."
Now instead of just disliking the song, people are having to leap hoops and disclaim and clarify, all because somehow race got introduced into the subject (where it honestly didnt belong), turning it into this seemingly huge convoluted issue, where either you're a good person or you're a bad person, with nowhere being allowed in-between. It stopped being about music critique, and suddenly became about racial tensions. The topic became barred from reality and turned into a battle of poor faith arguments.

Likewise, we should have been able to critique the voice actress as we have with any other voice actor/actress.
Wuk's voice acting was not as well received as others.
That should have been where it ended, just like it has in the past with other VA's who were criticized for not doing as good of a job.
but far too quickly, an additional layer was added.
"Wuks actress is trans, which means that if you critique their voice for any reason whatsoever, it's actually just because you're being transphobic"
There is no delicate enough way to express that their voiced sounded grating in some scenes. You can't do it, it's a losing fight. The only ways to describe it are exactly the ways that would be taken as offensive. You have to leap hoops and disclaim and clarify, all because somehow t-gender got introduced into the subject (where it honestly didnt belong), turning it into a convoluted issue where once again, either you're a good progressive person, or you're a far right bald headed nazi.
It stopped being about voice acting critique, and suddenly became about t-gender tensions.

Both topics are barred from reality and forced to drown in feelings that should not at all be relevant in either topic at hand.
This person loves using feelings to shield from reality, and that is just very unfortunate to keep seeing happen lol.