Wow, Wuk Lamat is really single-handedly ruining the DT story...

[Vensaval]

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You ever take a step back and think you're taking a video game just a tad too seriously?

In case you haven't, let me tell you...

You're taking this video game way too seriously.

[Lady_Silvermoon]

You ever take a step back and think you're taking a video game just a tad too seriously?

In case you haven't, let me tell you...

You're taking this video game way too seriously.

What do you mean? You're the one mad they changed it from Beast Tribes to Allied Societies and demand one of the next societies be humanoid. All I did was explain the ingame reason the name has changed. I have zero emotional investment in what it's called. Between the two of us, you're actually the one that cares. I was just letting you know that your demands got met three expansions ago.

That's why the "message" is important.

Say if a company want to create a "oriental" faction with no specific replication, they probably can put together a smash up - generic visual style with pagoda structure, Cheosam, Chinese accent characters, and no one gonna be mad if it also include Korean or Japanese style in it. It's oriental, it's exotic, it's cool, that's all that matter. But if the intention is to replicate a specific country/faction ... than that's a different story. That's why people aren't very please when the spot Korean/Chinese structure in the new Assassin creed when it's supposed to replicate Japan.


Frankly, that's why company should really just shut up and stop trying to score social internet brownie point. Don't try to claim you're paying homemade to this or that. If you create a place that looks like South America, or India than well, it's just what it is, still just a fantasy place. They are critized not because of what they made, but more because of the claim they're trying to make.

I feel like there are so many fantasy stories that aren't lifting entire cultures and dropping them unaltered into their games. To me, it feels a bit lazy. And if it was written the way it was written because they were "afraid" to say anything bad, then they should stop trying to copy places and just make things up. But assuming this was fear and not just phoning it in is more credit than I'm willing to give.

[Vensaval]

What do you mean? You're the one mad they changed it from Beast Tribes to Allied Societies and demand one of the next societies be humanoid. All I did was explain the ingame reason the name has changed. I have zero emotional investment in what it's called. Between the two of us, you're actually the one that cares. I was just letting you know that your demands got met three expansions ago.

Why do people always have to assume the person they're replying to has to be mad? I was pointing out that your responses seem frantic and rant-like. Also, I didn't make any "demands".

I acknowledge your point that Dwarves were already a thing in Shadowbringers (somehow slipped my mind). However, if anything that kinda proves that the change from Beast Tribes to Allied Societies was unnecessary because we had two expansions beforehand of a Lalafel-equivalent already being one of them. So... Why change it two expansions later?

I do care. You're correct in that regard. I didn't care before, but after realizing a 'cultural consultation firm' was involved and then witnessing first-hand the decline of quality that was Dawntrail's story and characters I fear that we may be heading towards a downward spiral.

Of course I care. FFXIV is my favorite game. I've been playing it since ARR's beta. Each time I've taken a break from the game, I've returned to a better and better experience each and every time. This is the one time it's been worse, and it's remarkably worse.

[Lady_Silvermoon]

Why do people always have to assume the person they're replying to has to be mad? I was pointing out that your responses seem frantic and rant-like. Also, I didn't make any "demands".

I acknowledge your point that Dwarves were already a thing in Shadowbringers (somehow slipped my mind). However, if anything that kinda proves that the change from Beast Tribes to Allied Societies was unnecessary because we had two expansions beforehand of a Lalafel-equivalent already being one of them. So... Why change it two expansions later?

I do care. You're correct in that regard. I didn't care before, but after realizing a 'cultural consultation firm' was involved and then witnessing first-hand the decline of quality that was Dawntrail's story and characters I fear that we may be heading towards a downward spiral.

Of course I care. FFXIV is my favorite game. I've been playing it since ARR's beta. Each time I've taken a break from the game, I've returned to a better and better experience each and every time. This is the one time it's been worse, and it's remarkably worse.

I did not mean to sound "frantic" or "ranting" so my apologies for that. I was just explaining the in-game reason for the change. But since I don't see the change to Allied Societies being related to the drop in writing quality, I have zero emotional investment on what they call it which was why I found it to odd to be told I'm ranting about something I'm indifferent to. I'm still confused as to why people believe changing tribes to allied societies is the reason why the worldbuilding was as shallow as a pond this time around.

[Vensaval]

I'm still confused as to why people believe changing tribes to allied societies is the reason why the worldbuilding was as shallow as a pond this time around.

It isn't the reason, but there's a high likelihood it's a symptom. Again possibly related to cultural consultants and DEI. Timing makes sense since DT would've been in development while DEI, SBI, and so on were at their most—let's say—popular. It's already been confirmed SBI was working with Square, though I don't think we know for sure which projects specifically.

However, it lines up with the decline in quality of Alan Wake, Spider-Man, and God of War for example. Each heavily criticized by players, and for good reason. I suspect DT is on that list as well. Especially since in each of these cases, the gameplay itself remains solid.