Housing lottery system takes entirely too long and is poorly designed.

[Solowing]

The prime plots definitely won't appear but probably about 90% of the seemingly empty small plots probably would over several months. Why keep a house that's no longer necessary when they can let the plot demo and get back 80% of the gil paid while continuing to operate the workshop.

If not to decorate it, it immediately goes to the black market. and sells for 3-4 times its plot value, and people will pay for it.

[Magikazam]

It so weird to me that Wizard 101 and Toontown have/had better housing system than FFXIV.

[Solowing]

It so weird to me that Wizard 101 and Toontown have/had better housing system than FFXIV.

Was curious about the Toontown comment, and I ended up a small forum thread asking about Housing in ToonTown
https://www.mmocentralforums.com/for...d.php?t=357826

The OP

Having neighbors at your estate
I remember when toon estates first came out in TTO, I had hoped that your toon would actually be living next to other people's toons (not toons on your account). I think it would be really cool if there could be different themed neighborhoods that your toon could live in and you could choose a plot of land to build your house. If you wanted to relocate, you could just pay a certain number of jellybeans. Each neighborhood would have other toons living in houses next to yours. Think of how fun that would be! Say you're gardening and you see the toon who lives next door to you and the two of you have a nice chat.

Seems like somebody in ToonTown wanted a system like Final Fantasy 14

[JimCasey_RF6]

Was curious about the Toontown comment, and I ended up a small forum thread asking about Housing in ToonTown
https://www.mmocentralforums.com/for...d.php?t=357826

The OP

Having neighbors at your estate
I remember when toon estates first came out in TTO, I had hoped that your toon would actually be living next to other people's toons (not toons on your account). I think it would be really cool if there could be different themed neighborhoods that your toon could live in and you could choose a plot of land to build your house. If you wanted to relocate, you could just pay a certain number of jellybeans. Each neighborhood would have other toons living in houses next to yours. Think of how fun that would be! Say you're gardening and you see the toon who lives next door to you and the two of you have a nice chat.

Seems like somebody in ToonTown wanted a system like Final Fantasy 14

Nice find, looks like they had quite a bit of support for the idea from the replies. I think ward housing would work particularly good in wholesome MMORPG's like ToonTown because players would likely be much more willing to stop and chat with their neighbors versus in more realistic games like FFXIV.

[Jojoya]

If not to decorate it, it immediately goes to the black market. and sells for 3-4 times its plot value, and people will pay for it.

Maybe yes, maybe no. I did specify small houses. Depends on how badly someone wants that particular plot and if they're willing to give up being in a FC with their friends because they would effectively be buying the FC tied to the house. There are a lot of smalls I just can't see anyone paying extra to get.

If it were medium or large, then it absolutely would go to black market if the current owner doesn't want to keep it to decorate. That I won't dispute.

Either way, at that point any sale of the FC with house to another player for gil is okay under the ToS. The plot had originally been purchased and used for a workshop. The workshop gets made separate from housing so the player no longer needs/wants the house. They're free to sell as long as real money is not involved.

Again, the important thing is that the supply of housing is no longer impacted by demand for workshops since workshop would be separate.

[dspguy]

On various Primal DC servers, week 1 of the "new wards in all cities" lottery ended with plenty of unpurchased private-only plots. And by week 2, there were still plots leftover. If someone was playing the game in that timeframe and didn't get a house, they likely really weren't all that interested. Or they put a bid in on a large with 100 other people and sealed their own fate.

For players just joining the game since after the last housing release, they have a right to be frustrated. Everyone else? Less so.

When (if?) new housing comes out, SE should restrict the first lottery period to players without a current plot. If a current owner wants in on the lottery for a large, they'll need to demo their house before the new housing comes out - which would free up another plot for another player.

[Solowing]

On various Primal DC servers, week 1 of the "new wards in all cities" lottery ended with plenty of unpurchased private-only plots. And by week 2, there were still plots leftover. If someone was playing the game in that timeframe and didn't get a house, they likely really weren't all that interested. Or they put a bid in on a large with 100 other people and sealed their own fate.

For players just joining the game since after the last housing release, they have a right to be frustrated. Everyone else? Less so.

When (if?) new housing comes out, SE should restrict the first lottery period to players without a current plot. If a current owner wants in on the lottery for a large, they'll need to demo their house before the new housing comes out - which would free up another plot for another player.

Lets say if the new ward releases, and it looks cool and theres a plot i really want. Oh sorry you cant place a bid because you already own a plot, imagine if you got locked out of getting a Shirogane plot you really liked because you unknowingly made the mistake of buying a plot in the mist before you knew what the next housing zone looked like.

So lets say a players wants to bid on a large plot, so they demolish their plot in hopes of winning out a bid of 60+ people...And they don't win the plot... You now have less then what you started for taking that risky gamble. You're out of a home and have nothing to show for it.

[Eraden]

Lets say if the new ward releases, and it looks cool and theres a plot i really want. Oh sorry you cant place a bid because you already own a plot, imagine if you got locked out of getting a Shirogane plot you really liked because you unknowingly made the mistake of buying a plot in the mist before you knew what the next housing zone looked like.

So lets say a players wants to bid on a large plot, so they demolish their plot in hopes of winning out a bid of 60+ people...And they don't win the plot... You now have less then what you started for taking that risky gamble. You're out of a home and have nothing to show for it.

Mao agrees. Such a system would be far too punishings for currents home owners. The real problem is and always has been limited supply and dogged determinations by Yoshi and Devs to stick to system which forces competitions and segregates peoples into seperates classes (rich peoples in big house enjoyings benefits unobtainables by peoples in small house). Thems seem to be deliberatesly fuelings resentments and class conflicts. Mao nots know why thems doings this. Is anyone here who is familiar with Japanese culture know if this desire to seperates peoples into classes has anything to do with the culture?

[MakoEyes]

Housing in this game is a joke.

You bide your time in the lottery phase just to lose to a bot account or someone who proceeds to go offline for the next six months.

The housing discord for this game is absolutely disgusting. Watching trash players offering to buy shell-FCs that have a FC house for 1b+ gil.


You people are garbage. And you ruined the housing aspect of this game, for everyone. Good job.

[Solowing]

Mao agrees. Such a system would be far too punishings for currents home owners. The real problem is and always has been limited supply and dogged determinations by Yoshi and Devs to stick to system which forces competitions and segregates peoples into seperates classes (rich peoples in big house enjoyings benefits unobtainables by peoples in small house). Thems seem to be deliberatesly fuelings resentments and class conflicts. Mao nots know why thems doings this. Is anyone here who is familiar with Japanese culture know if this desire to seperates peoples into classes has anything to do with the culture?

I don't think it has really anything.
To do with class splitting. The system is now purely luck of the draw.No other factors playing in this anymore. Not first come first serve, not placard clicking, not even botting.

This is the logical conclusion of fair. Your odds are the same as everyone else's. Regardled of how low it is. It's always split evenly between everyone.

The lottery system was always going to have drawbacks but that was something that community should have thought of before asking for it to be implemented. There is no perfect bullet for this. Instance housing is probably gonna kill a player venues. And for those who are saying "it's not"every other player requested feature has proven there is ALWAYS a catch. Because if you get this and its not what you wanted there is no going back like every previous system. You will be stuck with the system that you have and they will not likely revisit the changes. So, the community needs to think long and hard about this before asking for another change.