Held Hostage in the last Dawntrail Trial

[Bitmoar]

People saying "don't die" when they might be on DPS. If the healers die, and the tank is only smart enough to keep themselves alive, non-raising DPS can't do anything. The simple fact is, tanks have WAY too much sustain, and most fights are way too lenient on a single player. Of course the simple fix would be to implement a "vote wipe".

[Jojoya]

I didn't read through all the comments thoroughly but has anyone who has had such an experience reported it to the GMs?

In this particular case, it's less about the GMs taking action against the tanks but rather the GMs providing feedback to the developers that this is getting to be a common occurrence and source of complaints.

If it starts showing up in GM tickets as a regular issue, that might lead to the developers looking more closely at tank design.

I've been lucky myself. While there have been a couple of occasions where everyone but the tank was dead, the tank has chosen to die unless the boss was close to dead and everyone was good with the tank doing the last 5% or whatever amount. But if I do end up in the "hostage" experience, I won't hesitate to report it if the party asks the tank to die and they refuse.

[IDontPetLalas]

Making an active, genuine effort to kill the boss is not "griefing". The ToS specifically prohibits "offensive expressions" which includes "Expressions that compel a playing style".

I am sorry that you failed to prepare adequate time to complete a duty; however, it's not my problem, so please stop dying. If I as a tank were to deliberately die, the run would take even longer because people would just die again and again. Sit back and enjoy the carry.

I would say that you have that backwards. A tank that prevents the rest of the party from actively participating in a duty, in a way in which there is absolutely no way in which any party member can prevent the tank from doing so - is compelling every other player to play the way that the tank wants them to play. Now personally, when I want to play like that- I go with trusts. They don't care how many times, for example, I get yeeted off the arena when I'm learning (which is sadly quite a few). If I want to see what a tank can achieve I can solo-queue on mine and spend/waste my own time.

I usually see a party only wipe once then go on to complete a duty, and then there's usually some sense of achievement. I have (very) occasionally seen more than one wipe, but no, I don't want to "sit back and enjoy the carry".

[Luzzu]

Making an active, genuine effort to kill the boss is not "griefing". The ToS specifically prohibits "offensive expressions" which includes "Expressions that compel a playing style".

I am sorry that you failed to prepare adequate time to complete a duty; however, it's not my problem, so please stop dying. If I as a tank were to deliberately die, the run would take even longer because people would just die again and again. Sit back and enjoy the carry.

This is a wild take and I am always quick to say things are a skill issue. A new player trying to learn a boss fight and play the game would and should hate your guts for that. It's quicker if the boss is about to die but I can confidently say you have not been in many situations where it was in fact quicker to let your party be dead on the floor while you downed a boss solo. If they were <10% HP, sure. Anything higher and you are trolling.

There are few ways to recover from a death in combat and normal content is not balanced in such a way that tanks would die in these fights. I'm not sure why you think abusing these two facts makes you the carry of your group. Your DPS will almost always be doing much more than you.

[Shinku_Tachi]

I just queued into the last trial of the most recent expansion for the very first time and all was going well until most of the party died from a raidwide. only one of our tanks survived and decided they would solo it while holding us hostage. we all pleaded for them to jump off the platform so we could continue together but they said no and to suck it up. they proceeded to solo the entire fight, and there was no way we could leave the fight or vote abandon. all those options just would not trigger in combat.

it is not okay for someone to be able to hold us hostage like that. with all 7 other party members dead, there should be a majority rules or a setting where if more than 6 or so players have been dead for more than 5-10 minutes, the fight resets.

Thank you so much for taking the time to bring your situation forward.

I hope more people continue to share their experiences with this situation.

It's my hope that if we continue bringing this problem front and center, the community team will eventually take notice and bring it to the devs attention!

So let's keep at it! ^_^

[Miki_L]

Had this experience before. I tried to vote abandon or kick the tank that was griefing but they would pull immediately as soon as we respawn and put us in combat, making it not possible. The system just does not work as intended. It does not make sense why these actions cannot be taken while in combat.

[Wildheaven182]

There's already two active threads on this topic.

Ordinary players who dont talk on the forums are reaching out individually because the poor balance of the game results in sitiations where literally one player gets to play while the others are forced to sit and watch for 10 minutes.

[Reimmi]

I said this in the enrage in normal content but I wanted to put it here too so more might see it. You can leave instances during combat and this should still apply even if you are dead. Granted yes there can be the lockout but I think that would be better than being forced to witness someone else's desire to flex at the expense of everyone else's time.

Better yet allow voite to remove to be useable in combat, and remove the problem tank

[YuushaShazbot]

might i suggest fishing instead of the boss fight minigame

[Commander_Justitia]

if healer are not needed, why do they even exist? but blame the player I guess lmao