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    Quote Originally Posted by Boblawblah View Post
    So the Nazis were woke? .....
    No, but the extremist woke ideology use tactics that are similar to the ones used by Facists in the past. As a wise man once said ''Political Correctness is Fascism Pretending to be Manners''
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magikazam View Post
    No, but the extremist woke ideology use tactics that are similar to the ones used by Facists in the past. As a wise man once said ''Political Correctness is Fascism Pretending to be Manners''
    He also said:

    Most comedians, myself included, pick on people who have some power and position and abuse it, but [Andrew Dice Clay], he picks on foreigners, homosexuals and women - who are all underdogs in this society."

    "And it makes me wonder what he's thinking, because he says all these things and his audience responds because he plays to their prejudices. But he's Jewish and doesn't he know that these same people who hate gays and foreigners and women have Jews somewhere on their list?"

    Trans women are women,
    Trans men are men,
    Gender isn't sex
    Hard and soft sciences back this up. That's the facts. Your feelings that it's gross and icky and the world is a lot weirder and gayer than it used to be (which is true) is an emotional reaction, but not one based on current medicine or psychology. The first thing they burned was Hirschfield's Institute and it'd be good to remember what the pipeline from Weimar to Wehrmacht actually was.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Petroglyph View Post
    He also said:

    Most comedians, myself included, pick on people who have some power and position and abuse it, but [Andrew Dice Clay], he picks on foreigners, homosexuals and women - who are all underdogs in this society."

    "And it makes me wonder what he's thinking, because he says all these things and his audience responds because he plays to their prejudices. But he's Jewish and doesn't he know that these same people who hate gays and foreigners and women have Jews somewhere on their list?"

    Trans women are women,
    Trans men are men,
    Gender isn't sex
    Hard and soft sciences back this up. That's the facts. Your feelings that it's gross and icky and the world is a lot weirder and gayer than it used to be (which is true) is an emotional reaction, but not one based on current medicine or psychology. The first thing they burned was Hirschfield's Institute and it'd be good to remember what the pipeline from Weimar to Wehrmacht actually was.
    Your post reads like an Orwellian hellscape.

    "War is Peace.
    Freedom is Slavery.
    Ignorance is Strength."
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    Quote Originally Posted by SlickPaws View Post
    Your post reads like an Orwellian hellscape.

    "War is Peace.
    Freedom is Slavery.
    Ignorance is Strength."
    That's a reach if I ever saw one
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    Quote Originally Posted by SlickPaws View Post
    Your post reads like an Orwellian hellscape.

    "War is Peace.
    Freedom is Slavery.
    Ignorance is Strength."
    This is why education and not skipping school are important, i wouldn't wish this lack of reading comprehension to anyone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smallbunny View Post
    This is why education and not skipping school are important, i wouldn't wish this lack of reading comprehension to anyone.
    Why? So we can all become whiny, insufferable activists who openly spout contradiction as scientific fact and actively ruin every single community they infiltrate? This nonsense did not exist in-game when I first started playing, because people were there to play the damn game. Now everyone has to put LGBT tags in their bios and advertise every static as inclusive, as if who you're attracted to has any bearing on whether or not you can clear the content; and on top of that, the LGBT activists are claiming ownership of franchises and fandoms that never belonged to them in the first place. FFXIV is for the players and the people who pay a monthly subscription fee to be there, it's not a platform to sit on your soapbox and scream real-world ideology - and that applies to both sides of the argument. Both sides need to shut up and play the game, and stop actively ruining the experience for everyone who does just want to sit back, immerse themselves in a fictional setting and play for a few hours. Activists talk a bit game about human decency and inclusion, but can't stop their crusade for long enough to realise that you're negatively impacting the game for the vast majority of players who simply don't care for ideology in their video games. I want good stories from my games, I want good value for money and I don't want political talking points rammed down my throat by either the developer OR the playerbase.

    But I'm sure that makes me a bigot, or a Nazi or some such slur seeing as I'm more right-wing than Chairman Mao and just want to play video games.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SlickPaws View Post
    Why? So we can all become whiny, insufferable activists who openly spout contradiction as scientific fact and actively ruin every single community they infiltrate? This nonsense did not exist in-game when I first started playing, because people were there to play the damn game. Now everyone has to put LGBT tags in their bios and advertise every static as inclusive, as if who you're attracted to has any bearing on whether or not you can clear the content; and on top of that, the LGBT activists are claiming ownership of franchises and fandoms that never belonged to them in the first place. FFXIV is for the players and the people who pay a monthly subscription fee to be there, it's not a platform to sit on your soapbox and scream real-world ideology - and that applies to both sides of the argument. Both sides need to shut up and play the game, and stop actively ruining the experience for everyone who does just want to sit back, immerse themselves in a fictional setting and play for a few hours. Activists talk a bit game about human decency and inclusion, but can't stop their crusade for long enough to realise that you're negatively impacting the game for the vast majority of players who simply don't care for ideology in their video games. I want good stories from my games, I want good value for money and I don't want political talking points rammed down my throat by either the developer OR the playerbase.

    But I'm sure that makes me a bigot, or a Nazi or some such slur seeing as I'm more right-wing than Chairman Mao and just want to play video games.
    "This nonsense did not exist in-game when I first started playing, because people were there to play the damn game."

    You were a kid, and you miss being a kid, the time where all that stuff flew over your head. It did exist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SlickPaws View Post
    Why? So we can all become whiny, insufferable activists who openly spout contradiction as scientific fact and actively ruin every single community they infiltrate? This nonsense did not exist in-game when I first started playing, because people were there to play the damn game. Now everyone has to put LGBT tags in their bios and advertise every static as inclusive, as if who you're attracted to has any bearing on whether or not you can clear the content; and on top of that, the LGBT activists are claiming ownership of franchises and fandoms that never belonged to them in the first place. FFXIV is for the players and the people who pay a monthly subscription fee to be there, it's not a platform to sit on your soapbox and scream real-world ideology - and that applies to both sides of the argument. Both sides need to shut up and play the game, and stop actively ruining the experience for everyone who does just want to sit back, immerse themselves in a fictional setting and play for a few hours. Activists talk a bit game about human decency and inclusion, but can't stop their crusade for long enough to realise that you're negatively impacting the game for the vast majority of players who simply don't care for ideology in their video games. I want good stories from my games, I want good value for money and I don't want political talking points rammed down my throat by either the developer OR the playerbase.

    But I'm sure that makes me a bigot, or a Nazi or some such slur seeing as I'm more right-wing than Chairman Mao and just want to play video games.

    No, because then we end up like your last comment using terms without their meaning and you can't apply them to actual discussions since you don't actually understand them.

    People have to "advertise every static as inclusive" because LGBT people in gaming often get harassed just for existing just like in real life. The fact that you can't even grasp this concept makes you look sheltered and lacking in empathy.

    There's no "both sides" or "playing the devil's advocate" bullshit, because one of your so called "sides" just want to live without people harassing them.

    Players who actually "don't care" wouldn't spend their energy crying on a internet forum about a made up scenario in their head.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smallbunny View Post
    People have to "advertise every static as inclusive" because LGBT people in gaming often get harassed just for existing just like in real life. The fact that you can't even grasp this concept makes you look sheltered and lacking in empathy.
    True, stupid peoples do harass others for their difference since the humanity exist. which leaded to wars, genocide etc...
    But, you know, over actively promoting "inclusive" make thoses cretin even more angry and aggressive.... And, tire out the peoples who was never bothered by others sexual orientation, skin color, religion, handicap, etc.... to begin with.

    Because : We don't want to be part of your "war".

    Oh, BTW, a lot of thoses famous "inclusive" people are not inclusive at all since a lot consider that all middle aged white man are automatically some brutal sexist who abuse women, homophobe and racist.... And also, if you don't agree with them on everything you are a racist and sexist bigot.

    It's tiring, i'm tired of this BS.... Please take your "war" elsewhere, i want to just peacefully play.

    Oh, and you wasn't especially targeted by my post, i just took the oportunity to use it to vent a bit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smallbunny View Post
    No, because then we end up like your last comment using terms without their meaning and you can't apply them to actual discussions since you don't actually understand them.

    People have to "advertise every static as inclusive" because LGBT people in gaming often get harassed just for existing just like in real life. The fact that you can't even grasp this concept makes you look sheltered and lacking in empathy.

    There's no "both sides" or "playing the devil's advocate" bullshit, because one of your so called "sides" just want to live without people harassing them.

    Players who actually "don't care" wouldn't spend their energy crying on a internet forum about a made up scenario in their head.
    You want harassment? How about IRL when I worked as a cashier, had a gay man who wouldn't take "No" for an answer, and stalked me for 3 weeks. He got my phone number found out where I lived and followed me home, it got to the point I had to file a restraining order. I just wanted to live without being harassed by a gay man, but I got absolutely LAMBASTED as a "bigot and a homophobe" for DARING to speak out. So now what do I do when I have a gay man in game that starts spamming me with the Dote emote, then starts sending me tells? One who when I ask them please not to, I get lambasted as a "phobe" again? There is a grand total of 3 people on my blacklist, and he is one of them. I certainly don't get any fucking empathy.

    The fact you and others don't get the concept that there are plenty of bad people in the LGBTQ++ as well makes you look sheltered and lacking empathy. Though no, I don't get a choice. I don't get a choice to have a damn good reason to be scared or a little bit freaked out when I have an LGBTQ++ player run up to me and start doing lewd things to my character. Even more so if they decide that me saying "please don't" isn't a reason to stop. Why? Oh simple, many know that it's just so easy to slap me with a "phobe", "bigot", or whatever else they want in order scare me into complying. Doesn't matter I have a legitimate reason, which granted is rare to have a legitimate reason, to be a little bit upset that ONCE AGAIN I am being forced to deal with it. The fact LGBTQ++ exist doesn't bother me, the fact quite a few want me to treat them differently does. I just want to treat them like anyone else, BUT NO, I have to treat them special because THEY ARE DIFFERENT, WHICH THE MUST LET ME KNOW RIGHT FROM THE GET GO. Nevermind that it brings up a particularly terrifying moment in my life. I don't mind if someone is LGBTQ++, (hell one of my brothers is gay), but please for the love of the Twelve, don't sit there and pretend like it's "just living without being harassed". They want recognition for being different, that it's not the recognition they want means i'm automatically a POS.
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