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    Quote Originally Posted by Mortex View Post
    The premise of the story was finding the golden city. Problem is the city was already found and there was no mystery for it.

    And about the endless. The problem is that they try too play both sides, on one hand we can’t be genocidal monster like emet or the Ascian with the endless so they are just Programms and memories but in the other hand pls care about them because they act like real living beings.

    There is no moral weight and no right or wrong question. Same as they try to make us feel for freaking sphene, a computer program that even betrayed us 2 times in a row after we did help here and later get the macuffin back. And yes the talk no jutsu didn’t work but it somehow restored a deleted Personality from a program that in the end didn’t do anything anyway just to makes us feel bad again for the genocidal computer program
    The silliest thing about the Sphene emotional drama is that her mind was completely artificial. Otis was one of the first people digitized, and he saw her dead well before that, so she's a replica of how she was perceived of by others. She's arguably less "real" than the phantom Hythlodaeus, but she's the one in particular we're supposed to feel sorry for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daralii View Post
    The silliest thing about the Sphene emotional drama is that her mind was completely artificial. Otis was one of the first people digitized, and he saw her dead well before that, so she's a replica of how she was perceived of by others. She's arguably less "real" than the phantom Hythlodaeus, but she's the one in particular we're supposed to feel sorry for.
    Endwalker writing forces our WoL to mourn over a magitek armor in the Praetorium. Feeling sorry for a less interesting Cortana is par on course for "us".
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    Quote Originally Posted by ReynTime View Post
    Endwalker writing forces our WoL to mourn over a magitek armor in the Praetorium. Feeling sorry for a less interesting Cortana is par on course for "us".
    The magitek armor didn't hog the spotlight moreso it went away when it is done with it's role, if only another certain furry biped could take a hint.
    As a bonus it didn't make any sounds beyond footsteps, cannonfire and gunfire.

    /s
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    Maggie was a top contender for bestgirl
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    Quote Originally Posted by ReynTime View Post
    Endwalker writing forces our WoL to mourn over a magitek armor in the Praetorium. Feeling sorry for a less interesting Cortana is par on course for "us".
    That magitek armor didn't try to eat the Source.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady_Silvermoon View Post
    That magitek armor didn't try to eat the Source.
    My point is more so that the way they write the WoL now is that we will be emotional over an apple falling off a tree. Doesn't matter who or what.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ReynTime View Post
    My point is more so that the way they write the WoL now is that we will be emotional over an apple falling off a tree. Doesn't matter who or what.

    I don't know if I agree 100% with the previous example, at least. I feel like Maggie gets a pass because she was just a vehicle (I seem to recall her having some weird minor autonomy, but maybe that's my memory playing tricks). It's like John Action Hero man looking solemnly at his prized car he just had to jump out of as it sinks into the sea.

    But Dawntrail's WoL did have a couple overly dramatic reactions to stuff. I couldn't tell you if it's more than usual or just the complete apathy I felt for the expac, however.
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    Last edited by LisseyCrowe; 07-31-2024 at 01:59 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LisseyCrowe View Post
    I don't know if I agree 100% with the previous example, at least. I feel like Maggie gets a pass because she was just a vehicle (I seem to recall her having some weird minor autonomy, but maybe that's my memory playing tricks). It's like John Action Hero man looking solemnly at his prized car he just had to jump out of as it sinks into the sea.

    But Dawntrail's WoL did have a couple overly dramatic reactions to stuff. I couldn't tell you if it's more than usual or just the complete apathy I felt for the expac, however.
    Well, it kinda did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LisseyCrowe View Post
    I don't know if I agree 100% with the previous example, at least. I feel like Maggie gets a pass because she was just a vehicle (I seem to recall her having some weird minor autonomy, but maybe that's my memory playing tricks). It's like John Action Hero man looking solemnly at his prized car he just had to jump out of as it sinks into the sea.

    But Dawntrail's WoL did have a couple overly dramatic reactions to stuff. I couldn't tell you if it's more than usual or just the complete apathy I felt for the expac, however.
    Yeah, the WoL was upset in that scene the way I'd be upset if my computer died. The loss of an item that was awesome. That's different than mourning the loss of a program that's gonna wipe out all life in the universe because of a coding error.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ReynTime View Post
    My point is more so that the way they write the WoL now is that we will be emotional over an apple falling off a tree. Doesn't matter who or what.
    Bear in mind this magitek armor was animated by a mammet heart, with some measure of emotion, and on its own risks its neck twice to save your ass--once at the very end of Praetorium. We didn't walk out of that firestorm, let me tell you.

    Maggie kind of became your partner in crime in the later part of ARR main. You're allowed to have emotion over the presumed death of your faithful steed.

    Quote Originally Posted by Oizen View Post
    There honestly aren't many notable characters underneath her. It also should be noted if you can only vote once people are likely to vote for their favorite. I imagine most Yaana fans voted for Honey B Lovely.
    That explanation I can buy, and same for Wicked Thunder. Her story actually seems genuinely interesting and I hope we see more of her in the rest of Arcadion's story.
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