[Feedback] Wuk Lamat's English Voice

[Rekh]

I'm going to take a shot at answering the race part of this.

Race, like most things in life, is fairly easy when it is a singular thing. If I'm wearing a shirt that's pink, and a person asks me what color my shirt is, I answer pink. Easy peasy. If the shirt I'm wearing is multiple colors, or falls between colors, or looks like a different color under a certain light, how do you answer this question? You could give context; write a page response every time it comes up. You could pick the option that is relevant to whatever you are doing at the time.

To show the difficulty in practice, I am a mix of three races, with all 4 of my grandparents being of different ethnicities. One of those ethnicities is considered white (My grandmother was Italian.), but she had darker skin. Most people who are not black would say that I'm black, while almost all black people know that I'm mixed. On a form, where I can sometimes only pick a single option, what's the correct answer?

I've always said that I'm black when I'm tired; when it's too much work to correct someone.

Historically, there have been ethnicities that have switched races many times, since race is a societal construct. (So are ethnicities.) Mexicans have ping ponged back and forth on government forms since the inception of the two countries. Native Americans are such a diverse people, only connected by their oppression. The people of Mena are connected by an export. Society chooses where to draw the arbitrary lines and they constantly change in both large and subtle ways. There will always be people that don't fit within any system because we are trying to compress a complex idea of genetics, culture, and environment and reduce it to a handful of words on a checklist where nuisance is not welcome.

Long story short, go with whatever someone says and if it becomes confusing ask them about it if they are receptive or research the answer for yourself.

Don't bother, these people play dumb when it comes to these topics.
For anyone who skipped school latino/latina's not a race.

[Papayatar]

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I think a simpler answer is a person can be a White Latina just as someone can be a Black Latina.

Just pulling a snippet from Wikipedia but it says:
“Hispanic and Latino Americans are Americans of full or partial Spanish and/or Latin American background, culture, or family origin. These demographics include all Americans who identify as Hispanic or Latino regardless of race.”

So anyone can be both, and at least in the USA it’s why a lot of surveys also include some variation of “Are you Hispanic or Latino origin?” in addition to the Black, White, Asian, Pacific Islander/Native Hawaiian, and/or American Indian/Alaskan Native options.

Things get “funny” in the US especially when you’re white latina or white passing in other races (like some Native Americans are). And some people choose to mainly identify with one part for various reasons.

[Lak14]

Long story short, go with whatever someone says and if it becomes confusing ask them about it if they are receptive or research the answer for yourself.

No, thank you.

[Rfus]

I never really use the forums, but Wuk Lamat's english voice actor was so bad that I felt the need to give feedback. It just sounds like a man doing a poor job of trying to put on a woman's voice with no emotional range.

[Nestama]

Is it bad that I liked this thread more when it was starting to delve into conspiracy theory rage-bait nonsense? While also bad, at least that was fun to argue against.

TRANSPHOBES NOT WELCOME. THIS IS A TOPIC ABOUT BAD VOICE ACTING.

So yeah. Granted there's not a lot more to say that hasn't already been said. I still think it's a voice direction issue given what we know VA's have to work with, you can choose to believe what you want, nothing will change and if something does, it will be a result of the strike and not this thread.

[Karious]

Thanks for the insight, Nestama.

[Nestama]

That insight wasn't for you. Give it back.

[Midare]

I said I liked her voice, and yes on the first half of DT, in chill dialogue she was doing alright, even good on some parts. So no I am not pretending anything.
And yes it became bad after that and I said it. Yes it was very annoying sometimes and SE should do something about it because it worsen the experience.

So what I said do not lessen or invalidate the criticism about the acting. But are you pretending not seeing all the hate there is here ?

What is this ?

And why does it matters? You think antagonizing people will cause them to reconsider when for many the voice acting was subpar, instead of making them double down?

And again, you're saying that you like it, so basically, you don't see the same shortcomings the VA herself accepted in the past:



As I said, it all boils down to cheering on subpar work for the sake of ideology it feels, and thus, really not much better than those that dislike the voice work based on other things.

[Nestama]

But then like why did the Scions sound weird?

[Karious]

But then like why did the Scions sound weird?

Sounded fine to me. Nice whataboutism.