Viper is feels too busy because button erognomics is awful

[ValStormbreaker]

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If you are using R1 hotbar swaps in combat with a melee job, you're definitely playing the job incorrectly.

R1 hotbar swaps cost time that are equivalent to oGCD weaving. You should always have all of your skills available and within easy reach at all times.

It is indeed the devs' fault for not making the W-Cross Hotbar the standard default controller players see, and the game not telling you about it. But if you take time to learn melee jobs seriously, and read guides online in an effort to learn, people have been talking about it for years and it's the most commonly used controller layout by JP players. It is a gripe that the game hides it from you and that it is not the default as it should be.

Here's some reading on the WXHB: https://www.akhmorning.com/resources...configurations

For all content past level 50, the full WXHB is what you should be using for everything. The skills should flow from right to left if you hotbar things properly. On Viper, you have two of the same kinds of moves, one set for single-target moves and another set for AoEs. On my setup, I have the single-target moves on my right side. Off-cooldown moves and weaves are basically a matter of easy motions with your thumbs, either left thumb > right thumb, or things like quarter-circle motion inputs to hit them easily by just gliding your thumb across a D-Pad, or simple-taps that are easy to pull off. Buttons are in places where there's ease of access because your thumbs are already right there, and you're primarily just using your triggers to toggle icons.

When you unlock more with your Viper, including things you don't have yet and can't test out at your current level, you'll see why my setup makes sense. Everything is very simple - and mirrored - motions that make a butterfly shape when you do your rotation. It makes it not only incredibly braindead to play at a raid level (a testament to how simplified this job is), but it physically feels good to play.

[Lorika]

If you are using R1 hotbar swaps in combat with a melee job, you're definitely playing the job incorrectly.

R1 hotbar swaps cost time that are equivalent to oGCD weaving. You should always have all of your skills available and within easy reach at all times.

Completly wrong.
With proper settings is way quicker than a trigger double tap or a R2+L2/L2+R2

Since, in fact, you can swap to your secondary crossbar with a single quick tap on R1 and come back to your main crossbar with a quick single tap on R1 while your GCD refresh.(I do it all the time with Tank Mit which are on mt secondary crossbar and never miss a GCD... Rez and swiftcas are also on my secondary crossbar and, 90% of the time, i raise quicker than my co-healer)

Serisouly, i find the double crossbar inneficient and unconfortable

[CaedemSanguis]

If you are using R1 hotbar swaps in combat with a melee job, you're definitely playing the job incorrectly.

R1 hotbar swaps cost time that are equivalent to oGCD weaving. You should always have all of your skills available and within easy reach at all times.

It is indeed the devs' fault for not making the W-Cross Hotbar the standard default controller players see, and the game not telling you about it. But if you take time to learn melee jobs seriously, and read guides online in an effort to learn, people have been talking about it for years and it's the most commonly used controller layout by JP players. It is a gripe that the game hides it from you and that it is not the default as it should be.

Here's some reading on the WXHB: https://www.akhmorning.com/resources...configurations

For all content past level 50, the full WXHB is what you should be using for everything. The skills should flow from right to left if you hotbar things properly. On Viper, you have two of the same kinds of moves, one set for single-target moves and another set for AoEs. On my setup, I have the single-target moves on my right side. Off-cooldown moves and weaves are basically a matter of easy motions with your thumbs, either left thumb > right thumb, or things like quarter-circle motion inputs to hit them easily by just gliding your thumb across a D-Pad, or simple-taps that are easy to pull off. Buttons are in places where there's ease of access because your thumbs are already right there, and you're primarily just using your triggers to toggle icons.

When you unlock more with your Viper, including things you don't have yet and can't test out at your current level, you'll see why my setup makes sense. Everything is very simple - and mirrored - motions that make a butterfly shape when you do your rotation. It makes it not only incredibly braindead to play at a raid level (a testament to how simplified this job is), but it physically feels good to play.

I started in HW and get used to manually swap with R1, and it's fine to me, I dont have any trouble for clearing savages week1/ultimate or parsing 95%+ with gnb/drg
+ on viper all your actions can fit in the first bar

but yeah, I think WXHB is better than manually swapping with R1

[Avorie]

If you are using R1 hotbar swaps in combat with a melee job, you're definitely playing the job incorrectly.

R1 hotbar swaps cost time that are equivalent to oGCD weaving. You should always have all of your skills available and within easy reach at all times.

It is indeed the devs' fault for not making the W-Cross Hotbar the standard default controller players see, and the game not telling you about it. But if you take time to learn melee jobs seriously, and read guides online in an effort to learn, people have been talking about it for years and it's the most commonly used controller layout by JP players. It is a gripe that the game hides it from you and that it is not the default as it should be.

Here's some reading on the WXHB: https://www.akhmorning.com/resources...configurations

For all content past level 50, the full WXHB is what you should be using for everything. The skills should flow from right to left if you hotbar things properly. On Viper, you have two of the same kinds of moves, one set for single-target moves and another set for AoEs. On my setup, I have the single-target moves on my right side. Off-cooldown moves and weaves are basically a matter of easy motions with your thumbs, either left thumb > right thumb, or things like quarter-circle motion inputs to hit them easily by just gliding your thumb across a D-Pad, or simple-taps that are easy to pull off. Buttons are in places where there's ease of access because your thumbs are already right there, and you're primarily just using your triggers to toggle icons.

When you unlock more with your Viper, including things you don't have yet and can't test out at your current level, you'll see why my setup makes sense. Everything is very simple - and mirrored - motions that make a butterfly shape when you do your rotation. It makes it not only incredibly braindead to play at a raid level (a testament to how simplified this job is), but it physically feels good to play.

Funny enough, I've had no problems R1 quick switching hotbars like hotcakes on a stove. It's a skill I say you probably have to learn.
Then again, I played EW DRK on controller and I usually play a lot of fighting games, so I'm used to
Doing weird stuff with my fingers, and that came out wrong...