Dawntrail was great. More like this, please!

[Remilia_Nightfall]

Damn, you really all fell for this troll.

Good job, OP.

[caffe_macchiato]

Agreed, OP! This expansion gave me a very strong impression of what I'm likely to experience in 8.0 in 2028, which is the real expansion of Tural, right? It gave me an unbeatable single-player experience--as in, I can play other single-player games which are far better than this one. It also gave me a great multiplayer experience because, for the first time in years, I'm actually touching grass because of how boring (excuse me, "low stakes") the story is. Overall, Yoshi-P hit it out of the park yet again just like the post-Endwalker quests and I can't wait for more opportunities to keep playing all of my other games!

[genuine_stranger]

I think this is a bit disingenuous as the entire setup for the expansion was "hey come by on my team". This was known going in. It was a major point of the MSQ for 6.55, and expecting that your WoL would instead traipse around doing their own thing feels like going in with the wrong expectation. We also weren't "constantly pushed into the limelight" - much of what we did was more low-key side errands or helping Wuk Lamat in a mentorship role and only bringing strength to bear together. The only solo duty that the WoL had in the entire first half of the expansion was to fight Gulool Ja Ja on his own request. The only time the WoL's reputation was brought to bear was when it was relevant as part of a dungeon or trial.

The WoL was in no way the star of the show for the first half, and in the second half they only showed up to provide martial support.

We kind of are tho? Everything, and I mean literally everything (beside catching a an Alpacha), Wuk Lamat accomplishes in DT couldn't be done without the sledgehammer that we are.

And I don't get the mentor argument. Going through the msq I haven't felt like a mentor to her, but rather a bystander who would help her out again and again as soon as a challenge / obstacle arrived. I also didn't see her grow in any particular way based on our "mentorship".
If anything else she was dead set on bringing happiness and peace to her people from the get go? We are just an errand boy who accompanies her on that set goal.

[ThreadOfFate]

Seems to me that's also what they're doing... any thread is open to discussion. You can actually find quite a few posts defending DT in the threads where people are openly criticizing it.
That is, after all, what discussion means. Turns out, irl people don't all agree with you unconditionally after you lay down your thoughts like they do ingame with Wuk Lamat

That's fine, I just don't understand why they saw my post going "I thought this was really great!" and then they feel the need to post here saying i'm wrong and it sucks actually, instead of making their own thread. If people want to say DT is bad, that's fine, I have no obligation or desire to correct them. That's their thread, left for feedback.

For threads meant to be discussions? great. have at it. but people really saw this and went "i must correct this person".

[ThreadOfFate]

We kind of are tho? Everything, and I mean literally everything (beside catching a an Alpacha), Wuk Lamat accomplishes in DT couldn't be done without the sledgehammer that we are.

And I don't get the mentor argument. Going through the msq I haven't felt like a mentor to her, but rather a bystander who would help her out again and again as soon as a challenge / obstacle arrived. I also didn't see her grow in any particular way based on our "mentorship".
If anything else she was dead set on bringing happiness and peace to her people from the get go? We are just an errand boy who accompanies her on that set goal.

So she didn't beat Bakool Ja Ja on her own in a solo duty that you played through? Weird, that happened to me. She also definitely took the lead in the second half of the MSQ.

If you didn't see her grow from a hotheaded and impulsive person who didn't often consider the needs of others when solving their own problems, then I don't know what to tell you. The Wuk Lamat in the 90 quests and the Wuk Lamat from the 100 quests are different people.

Every expansion is "X person that we are trying to help could not have done this without us" but that doesn't make it any less their accomplishment. The Eorzean Alliance beating the Garleans in ARR was impossible without the WoL but that's still something they organized, they just told the WoL when to bring down the hammer. The entire point of the MSQ is that together we are stronger and we can accomplish things that no one person could do on their own. This is a constant theme in XIV and is always present, in every expac. Why is it a problem here all of a sudden?

[ThreadOfFate]

Exactly. And other people shared their thoughts in this thread. What you need to understand is that a thread is not your space. It is not something you own. A post, whether it’s one that starts a thread or a reply to a other, is a prompt for other people to reply to. So you saying no one asked for your opinion is completely nonsensical in the context of a forum. If you don’t want to see other people’s opinions, you should make your post and leave or not visit the forum at all.

Again: They have other threads. They can make their own threads. This obsession with going into threads that they know they won't like and then posting something is insane person behavior to me. There are dozens of other complaint threads they could join in. Why do they post here? Why do you even care about taking the position of 'educating' me? You could've gone on with your day instead of posting here to raise a point I already knew and give me an argument neither of us needed.

[ThreadOfFate]

Damn, you really all fell for this troll.

Good job, OP.

you're welcome, it's so cool that the state of the internet these days is when people are sharing their genuine thoughts and opinions, in a space the devs made and encourage people to use to share their thoughts and opinions, they are accused of being trolls and they have lots of people come in and tell them how they're wrong and they suck actually.

[Remilia_Nightfall]

you're welcome, it's so cool that the state of the internet these days is when people are sharing their genuine thoughts and opinions, in a space the devs made and encourage people to use to share their thoughts and opinions, they are accused of being trolls and they have lots of people come in and tell them how they're wrong and they suck actually.

Just take the compliment, mate - you are even making me reply to you despite realising what you are doing!

[SirShady]

Everyone's entitled to their own opinion. I respectfully disagree and dread the thought of "more like this" going forward, but I'm really glad you enjoyed your time with it much more than I did.

At the very least I really do hope they realize having an entire expansion revolve around one character to the point that her spoken dialogue is quadruple the amount of everyone else is a bad idea. There's having a new central character, and then there shoving a new character in at every opportunity with little room for anyone else. It's a huge reason why the community is divided right now.

Did you like Wuk Lamat? You're probably going to enjoy your time and be less critical and optimistic of the overall story.

Did you hate Wuk Lamat? You're probably going to find everything tedious and you're going to be viewing the entire story from a negative lens.

And yes, I can report that I saw people complaining about the story and Wuk Lamat in shout chat, which is sad but also kind of funny.

[Nitelancer]

Again: They have other threads. They can make their own threads. This obsession with going into threads that they know they won't like and then posting something is insane person behavior to me. There are dozens of other complaint threads they could join in. Why do they post here? Why do you even care about taking the position of 'educating' me? You could've gone on with your day instead of posting here to raise a point I already knew and give me an argument neither of us needed.

Maybe your thread is the first they saw. Maybe you raised some specific point that they didn't see elsewhere and they wanted to reply. There are any number of reasons why someone would feel compelled to reply to your thread. And you certainly do need the education. Otherwise, you wouldn't try to make nonsensical arguments about why people shouldn't reply to your thread. That type of reply does not reflect a healthy mindset and is no good for a forum participant.