Wow, Wuk Lamat is really single-handedly ruining the DT story...

[jameseoakes]

How is it bad writing? Character growth is a thing. I'd honestly be interested in how many best selling books you've read if you think character growth where some of the best characters are annoying the first book or chapter is "bad writing." I'd also like to see examples of your published works lol. Might as well be full petty if we're going there, yeah?

If a character is outright annoying and unpleastant like Wuk is I'd likely stop reading. Making a character outright boring and uncompelling is bad writing. Growth is good but the characeter who IS THE STORY needs to be compeling making the viewer site through hours of them being annoying and obnocixoous for the hope of growth is terrible writing

[Dubont]

Honestly you could make a million of these images in a few seconds.

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New to the game? Talk quests are the core of the game and have been since 2010

[Galvuu]

New to the game? Talk quests are the core of the game and have been since 2010

I dunno man, maybe we're in 2024 and the game could use an update to its questing and gameplay.
They've had over a decade to figure this out.
People can look the other way when they're emotionally invested in the core narrative, but that's a matter of tolerating the bad for the good.
DT stripped away 90% of the good and we're just left with the bad.
Should we forgive outdated game design just because it's been done for 10 years?

[EusisLandale]

I wouldn't place all the blame on Wuk Lamat. Koana apparently thinks that the best way to learn a recipe is not to just ask for it, but to watch what people do generally speaking and guess from that. The "smart" one is not so much.

[Dubont]

I took a moment to ponder this, and think of a somewhat annoying MC from a book I enjoy. Do you know why Bilbo, who's insufferable, works as a character in his short story? Because he's thrust into non-stop fantastical action where he must take initiative. Literally a few dozen pages in, and he's using his wits to outsmart the trolls before they cook the dwarves alive.
There's the two differences I find comparing it to DT- Bilbo, while a bit of a twat, is a very quick thinker and surprisingly resourceful, and has a silver tongue. He will use honeyed words to buy time or squirm out of a situation, while MacGuyvering his way into a solution by cobbling something together with what he has at hand. He has strong points and redeemable qualities, and while he's annoyingly opposing adventure, he's extremely useful to his party from the get-go, and this is shown in a short but high-stakes action sequence.

I think this analogy is pretty good, because the WoL is kinda a Gandalf analogue. Yes, Gandalf can solve 99% of issues thrown Bilbo's way, but he doesn't want to. He trusts in his abilities and believes he can grow to be adventurous (which is why he picked him for that task to begin with).

Not a book, but this is also true of Luke, who's also a bit of a twat at the start of A New Hope. He's a skilled pilot, athletic and, ofc, strong with the Force.

I am curious about your recommendation on a book where the character is an irredeemable idiot, with no true skills, who just yaps around for the first 100 pages with 0 action though.

(edit: the more I dwell on it, the more I see this DT as a reverse The Hobit, where Gandalf solves everything, Bilbo has no redeeming qualities at all and just takes all the credit and somehow ends up as a ruler of a nation)

I do like the characters you picked. I was thinking Mat from Wheel of Time. First book? Complete idiot, but clearly agile. Third book? He starts showing real fighting skill. By the end of the series he was my favorite character.

[CosmoBabylonia]

How is it bad writing? Character growth is a thing. I'd honestly be interested in how many best selling books you've read if you think character growth where some of the best characters are annoying the first book or chapter is "bad writing." I'd also like to see examples of your published works lol. Might as well be full petty if we're going there, yeah?

Please.....

In either this thread or another thread I've already mentioned Luke Skywalker and Cerys from Witcher 3.

If you want me to really just flip your argument around, look up the anime Seirei no Moribito. It's about a warrior who has to look after and mentor a royal prince, heir to the throne, while on the run from assassins. Now the prince in that anime is a LITERAL CHILD. That CHILD is not as annoying as Wuk Lamat and is smarter than her.

Good anime by the way so go watch it.

[Powercow]

I wouldn't place all the blame on Wuk Lamat. Koana apparently thinks that the best way to learn a recipe is not to just ask for it, but to watch what people do generally speaking and guess from that. The "smart" one is not so much.

Yeah we learn after that the locals were forbidden to directly help, but... we weren't told that before our team decided to go the roundabout way. Kind of weird. Honestly feels like a line was cut or something.

[AlucaDragonheart]

She's terrible... to the point that I actually play the game with my own music playing in the background so I don't have to hear her. Her VA must be a nepotism hire or something, there is no way any legit casting director would think this is good.

[ZodaSoda]

New to the game? Talk quests are the core of the game and have been since 2010

New to the internet and basic human conversation? You have a bunch of people telling you they dont like how much Wuk Lamat is the focus and you're trying to argue they aree "wrong" about their opinions, you're just being annoying. You arent going to change the fact theres a ton of people who dont like her.

[jameseoakes]

Please.....

In either this thread or another thread I've already mentioned Luke Skywalker and Cerys from Witcher 3.

If you want me to really just flip your argument around, look up the anime Seirei no Moribito. It's about a warrior who has to look after and mentor a royal prince, heir to the throne, while on the run from assassins. Now the prince in that anime is a LITERAL CHILD. That CHILD is not as annoying as Wuk Lamat and is smarter than her.

Good anime by the way so go watch it.

Moribito is such a good anime.