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    Quote Originally Posted by Elissar View Post
    I'm not sure if it's fair to compare Wuk Lamat to Lyse directly.
    Lyse had a plot twist as introduction between expansions..Wuk Lamat is not our friend, but Erenvile childhood friend.
    I'm not sure it's fair to compare them either. Lyse is more a cardboard cutout than a character. She's incredibly bland. Wuk Lamat might be a walking, talking collection of anime tropes, but at least she has a personality. Even if it's one I find grating at times.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PercibelTheren View Post
    I'm not sure it's fair to compare them either. Lyse is more a cardboard cutout than a character. She's incredibly bland. Wuk Lamat might be a walking, talking collection of anime tropes, but at least she has a personality. Even if it's one I find grating at times.
    I feel the opposite. Lyse's development might have been lacking, and the story didn't really earn the pay-off of her becoming a political leader, but she is far more interesting and fun to be around than Wuk Lamat. I'd rather have Lyse's brashness and occasional airheaded moment than watch Wuk Lamat accidently fall down or cry about something she doesn't like for the sake of "comedy" or give an emboldened speech about the power of peace and friendship for the 30th time in a row. SHE'S JUST SO QUIRKY!
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    Quote Originally Posted by SirShady View Post
    I feel the opposite. Lyse's development might have been lacking, and the story didn't really earn the pay-off of her becoming a political leader, but she is far more interesting and fun to be around than Wuk Lamat. I'd rather have Lyse's brashness and occasional airheaded moment than watch Wuk Lamat accidently fall down or cry about something she doesn't like for the sake of "comedy" or give an emboldened speech about the power of peace and friendship for the 30th time in a row. SHE'S JUST SO QUIRKY!
    It just comes down to taste, I guess. That being said, I like neither character. In Stormblood, at least I had Alisae being my sassy little sister to carry me through it. In Dawntrail, she seems to have lost her entire personality somehow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PercibelTheren View Post
    It just comes down to taste, I guess. That being said, I like neither character. In Stormblood, at least I had Alisae being my sassy little sister to carry me through it. In Dawntrail, she seems to have lost her entire personality somehow.
    It came out for a brief second in the third zone...If you talk to her just before she goes to the village near that giant crevice she says

    "Just to let you know if you push me I will be very cross with you" it was very Alisae and desperately needed good writing in regards to real humor per unique characters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Verathel View Post
    It came out for a brief second in the third zone...If you talk to her just before she goes to the village near that giant crevice she says

    "Just to let you know if you push me I will be very cross with you" it was very Alisae and desperately needed good writing in regards to real humor per unique characters.
    One of the very few moment in Dawntrail that made me smile. A nice reminder of what I used to enjoy about these characters before they became Wuk Lamat's cheer squad.
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    Last edited by SirShady; 07-01-2024 at 08:09 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PercibelTheren View Post
    I'm not sure it's fair to compare them either. Lyse is more a cardboard cutout than a character. She's incredibly bland. Wuk Lamat might be a walking, talking collection of anime tropes, but at least she has a personality. Even if it's one I find grating at times.
    Not saying I agree with your assessment since I think Wuk is worse than Lyse, but even if you're right it shows the problem with over exposition. Even if Wuk had only half the flaw of Lyse, they're being rubbed at our face three times as hard.

    Frankly, the story would have been much better off if it was structures differently. Instead of us becoming the exclusive babysiter for Wuk, the scion could have been something like independent observer/adviser to *all* the claimants. Not only it reduces the amount of over the top exposure to Wuk, it would help giving additional insight to the other NPC that I feels still desperately needed in the end.
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