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  1. #11
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    Quote Originally Posted by CerusSerenade View Post
    Imagine if people who said dumb things like this actually understood that the marketing team is entirely different departments from the developer team.

    Nothing was "lost" from this being made.
    I mean, that's not what they said though. They didn't suggest they transfer people working on marketing to work on jobs, they specifically said they should allocate their funds differently.

    Which if what the other person said about them only ever having 4 developers since the start is true, then I actually think it would be a valid criticism to suggest hiring one or two more developers for it. Especially considering the fact that it's not only something that just progressively becomes more work every expansion, but class design/function is arguably the weakest aspect of the game right now.
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    Player CerusSerenade's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by fulminating View Post
    They had 4 job designers in arr when there was 9 jobs. They had 4 designers in shadowbringers when there was 17 jobs (fairly sure it’s also 4 in endwalker for 19). Shadowbringers is also the expansion when healers and tanks mysteriously got simplified into the ground. I don’t think it’s unfair to say that each job designer being responsible for 2.25 each means that they can give more attention to them than if they’re responsible for 4.25 each.
    You mean they had massive quality of life improvements that made the jobs much less tedious to play?

    The jobs are fine and your argument is baseless as to a cause for concern. You're conflating how you'd personally prefer the jobs play to them therefore being broken. Your personal opinion has no bearing on success, as clearly shown by the jobs being tightly balanced.

    Also, the "only 4 job designers" needs a citation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eudyptes View Post
    I mean, that's not what they said though. They didn't suggest they transfer people working on marketing to work on jobs, they specifically said they should allocate their funds differently.

    Which if what the other person said about them only ever having 4 developers since the start is true, then I actually think it would be a valid criticism to suggest hiring one or two more developers for it. Especially considering the fact that it's not only something that just progressively becomes more work every expansion, but class design/function is arguably the weakest aspect of the game right now.
    If that's what you think then your reading comprehension is deficient. I never said he was suggesting that.

    Budgets for different departments, in this case probably not even under the purview of YoshiP himself if what he said about the mogstation is true, are entirely separate and managed by different people. They serve exclusive purposes and wouldn't have one of their budgets dictated by the other.

    Hence, only someone with no understanding of business structure would say something so utterly foolish.
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    Last edited by CerusSerenade; 06-27-2024 at 03:54 PM.

  3. #13
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    Quote Originally Posted by CerusSerenade View Post
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    Nothing was "lost" from this being made.
    The money sure is.
    Could've allocated that budget to FFXIV's development, than this waste of ressources.
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  4. #14
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    Quote Originally Posted by KageTokage View Post
    I do find it a little...strange how aggressive the marketing for DT has been compared to previous expansions.

    This expansion really is not something I could imagine myself seeing as an outsider and suddenly going "Wow, I really want to play this." HW is what called to me with the blending of medieval fantasy and good ol' FF staples like dragoons.

    Have to agree with this. Heavensward triggered my rpgic soul with its somber melancholy advertising. Don’t get me wrong, excited for Dawntrail but the depth of fantasy element doesn’t seem there…at least not yet.
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    ‘He who has no expectations will never be disappointed.’

  5. #15
    Player CerusSerenade's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xerkrosis View Post
    The money sure is.
    Could've allocated that budget to FFXIV's development, than this waste of ressources.

    Budgets for different departments, in this case probably not even under the purview of YoshiP himself if what he said about the mogstation is true, are entirely separate and managed by different people. They serve exclusive purposes and wouldn't have one of their budgets dictated by the other.

    Your argument also presumes that FF14 is deficient in funding, which is clearly not the case.

    Hence, only someone with no understanding of business structure would say something so utterly foolish.
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    "please leave the multi bilion dollar company alone!"


    This is why we cant have viera hats and many other things.
    I bet chocobo shoes won't be added as well?
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    https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/263120-Suggestion-Chocobo-Shoes?p=3331397&highlight=chocobo+shoes#post3331397

    Please allow us to wear Chocobo Shoes

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    Why people here are not able to stay with the topic? I will never understand...

    So..., the promotion site is really cool. I am looking forward to be a Turalist! xD
    Hopefully we get the Alpaka in the beginning. Q*Q
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    Quote Originally Posted by HighlanderClone View Post
    Imagine if they used this money to hire more job designers

    The state of gaming when companies spent half their budget on marketing
    I don't like overspending on marketing just like the next guy but it doesnt matter how good your product is if people dont know about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CerusSerenade View Post
    massive quality of life improvements
    It's of course a massive quality of life improvement when your neurons fire at a rate of 3 pulses per year.

    Quote Originally Posted by CerusSerenade View Post
    Budgets for different departments, in this case probably not even under the purview of YoshiP himself if what he said about the mogstation is true, are entirely separate and managed by different people. They serve exclusive purposes and wouldn't have one of their budgets dictated by the other.

    Your argument also presumes that FF14 is deficient in funding, which is clearly not the case.

    Hence, only someone with no understanding of business structure would say something so utterly foolish.
    Oh yes, the scary lady in charge of MogStation that they whip out whenever they need a scapegoat. Oh the poor studio, they didn't want to squeeze and milk the playerbase, it's the scary MogStation lady. Wait, who exactly is the lady you ask? Well, she's too scary to introduce you know... you just have to trust us that she's REAL scary and we really did not have a choice because we are all so scared of her...
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    Last edited by HighlanderClone; 06-27-2024 at 04:44 PM.

  10. #20
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    Quote Originally Posted by CerusSerenade View Post
    You mean they had massive quality of life improvements that made the jobs much less tedious to play?

    The jobs are fine and your argument is baseless as to a cause for concern. You're conflating how you'd personally prefer the jobs play to them therefore being broken. Your personal opinion has no bearing on success, as clearly shown by the jobs being tightly balanced.
    I don't know if you noticed but there are quite a lot of people who are dissatisfied with the way classes are at the moment, and have been for awhile. I mean there is like a 500+ page thread right now about healers going on strike because they think healing isn't fun. Like I actually don't even know if you are just trolling rn tbh.

    Quote Originally Posted by CerusSerenade View Post

    If that's what you think then your reading comprehension is deficient. I never said he was suggesting that
    You literally did, but go off.
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