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  1. #81
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    Quote Originally Posted by AmiableApkallu View Post
    One can be committed to boycotting carrying heavy boxes for strangers.

    (By analogy, Duty Finder and Party Finder.)

    Like, seriously. This is a game, not a life and death struggle for a basic human right. There just might be reasonable room to let each individual decide how far (or not) they're willing to go, and to accept their choice in the matter.
    Yes, it's a game. So why are people striking in the first place? This isn't some unthetical employer affecting employee livelihoods.

    If the participants want to call it a strike, then they should be willing to take actions that are actually going to get SE's attention. Not milquetoast declarations that they're leaving the healer role because they're so upset with it but having a million exceptions that make the action entirely pointless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kranel_San View Post
    Exactly. If we have a big shortage of healers, the game will be partially unfunctional in duties. The voices will be louder, and changes will be more immediate.
    Except that with trust, the "protest" it's essentially mute.
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  3. #83
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    Quote Originally Posted by TaleraRistain View Post
    If the participants want to call it a strike, then they should be willing to take actions that are actually going to get SE's attention. Not milquetoast declarations that they're leaving the healer role because they're so upset with it but having a million exceptions that make the action entirely pointless.
    I agree.

    And that's why I will not join the strike, even when I think that healers are in need of some attention and that a strike is the right way to go after years of ignored feedback.

    This strike will go nowhere.
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    Last edited by Tint; 06-22-2024 at 09:05 PM.
    It’s a good thing not to answer your enemies. I scarcely ever do. Perhaps Emily is more like me than I am like myself. Perhaps she would rather not answer her friends, even. She keeps it all in her heart.

  4. #84
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    We should be respecting and supporting players who are acting out of genuine concern for a combat role they are passionate about in the game we all love. Every disgruntled healer that is participating in the strike is doing the right thing. The dev team will, without a doubt, get the picture real quick when the effects of the strike start showing in their player metrics
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  5. #85
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    Nyr Ardyne
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    Quote Originally Posted by TaleraRistain View Post
    Yes, it's a game. So why are people striking in the first place? This isn't some unthetical employer affecting employee livelihoods.

    If the participants want to call it a strike, then they should be willing to take actions that are actually going to get SE's attention. Not milquetoast declarations that they're leaving the healer role because they're so upset with it but having a million exceptions that make the action entirely pointless.
    Yeah. I agree with SOME of their concerns (like healer damage being overly simplified, I disagree with calls to remove healing utility from other jobs etc) and I'm sympathetic to that. But the actual act of the 'strike' feels a bit silly and I'm skeptical it will have any noticeable impact. Let alone a consistent, long term impact across multiple data centers which is what they need for it to really work as a 'strike.' It doesn't help either that the strike is starting at the same time two new DPS jobs are going to be hitting the game. This will have a temporary effect on role distribution in party finder as it always does, and further obscure any actual impact the strike might have otherwise had over the first couple weeks of the expansion. So it will lead to muddied waters where one one hand people will say the strike is ineffective because this is just normal for expansion launch, and on the other hand some may say 'look the strike is working' without any way to actually know how much is due to viper/picto and how much is due to the strike.

    I sympathize with the healing design issues and support people who are fed up with it either leaving the game or just leaving the healing role behind. But I really don't expect this to have an actual impact.
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  6. #86
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reimmi View Post
    I'm convinced the only people who enjoy healers as they are, are people who like to win with the minimal effort
    Try roulettes with random, typical players. I almost exclusively do group content that way, and I often find I need to actual be a healer in order for the group to thrive most of the time. Comments like the one I'm quoting are telling, however, in showing how people isolate themselves in their own echo chambers and then end up completely surprised by reality.
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  7. #87
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    Quote Originally Posted by Midare View Post
    Except that with trust, the "protest" it's essentially mute.
    Can't use trusts in roulettes, alliance raids, normal raids, and savage/ultimate.

    You should know this if you play the game beyond msq.
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  8. #88
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    Quote Originally Posted by TaleraRistain View Post
    Yes, it's a game. So why are people striking in the first place? This isn't some unthetical employer affecting employee livelihoods.

    If the participants want to call it a strike, then they should be willing to take actions that are actually going to get SE's attention. Not milquetoast declarations that they're leaving the healer role because they're so upset with it but having a million exceptions that make the action entirely pointless.
    Its not a strike its a tantrum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterNublet View Post
    Can't use trusts in roulettes, alliance raids, normal raids, and savage/ultimate.

    You should know this if you play the game beyond msq.
    Isn't this whole drama brought about because Warriors exist in Roulettes?
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    Grainne Gothram
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tint View Post
    I agree.

    And that's why I will not join the strike, even when I think that healers are in need of some attention and that a strike is the right way to go after years of ignored feedback.

    This strike will go nowhere.
    Meh it's at the very at least made some people aware how toxic the community really is.
    A group of people have their gripes with the game and communicate it on the forums and suddenly the faux nice and caring community disappears and the person who posted the thread gets their FFLogs brought up and made fun of just because they don't like the direction of their former favourite role. People go into the thread to mock and belittle people for their opinions.

    Yeah I'm glad this happened if it doesn't effect the game, showing the true colours of the fake nice people behind this game always makes me happy. I laugh when people act like this game is less toxic then WoW, it isn't the WoW players are just more honest.
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