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  1. #111
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    As far as streamers go the only one I even watch or like to hear opinions from are Xeno. I lose respect for streamers who have to suck up and put on a fake ass smile just to get their precious treatment or media tour invites. Healer gameplay has been boring for years in all aspects of content. Doesn't need to be a full on rotation but a few more buttons isn't asking much that isn't tied to a 2min burst because that's not helping.
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  2. #112
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    I feel like this shouldn't be a hard subject tbh.

    Even if you're against the healer strike for whatever reason, it's still a commonly accepted practice for anyone reporting on a topic to do their due diligence in learning about it and speak on the facts, no?

    If CC's are twisting the subject to suit their bias or not reading the thread out of laziness or assumptions, frankly they shouldn't be taken as an official source on the matter. If enough people are bothered by it, push back against the CC's and show them they're incorrect. If they don't care, maybe that's a sign to not give them your time/money and find a more...worthwhile CC to support who actually does their research properly.
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    Last edited by LianaThorne; 06-21-2024 at 08:12 PM.

  3. #113
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    I mean, content creators aren't exactly experts in video game design. People put far too much weight on what their opinions may be.
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  4. #114
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    With the exception of a few, most FFXIV Content creators do this on purpose to generate Views/Clicks. I hoped that would be common knowledge by now.

    The only Cure for this is to stop giving them Attention.
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  5. #115
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saraide View Post
    I've seen it a bunch of times already where people would kinda agree that healers are boring af but they turn around specifically because the OP of the healerstrike thread has bad logs. Parse brain rot has thoroughly infested those CC communities, which is especially weird in xeno's community because in his previous drama arc he clowned all over a guy who tried to do exactly that: dismiss someone's post specifically because of bad logs.
    Parsing will forever be a plague, I personally don't parse and my static doesn't log parses. Either way players who midcore opinions matter far more than someone who tries to win on a third party leaderboard.
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  6. #116
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ayer2015 View Post
    I mean, content creators aren't exactly experts in video game design. People put far too much weight on what their opinions may be.
    I entirely agree with this sentiment. This applies to content creators on YouTube, and content creators in these forums and elsewhere.

    Getting so offended at the YouTube creator who cheesed the first Dawntrail dungeon is a bit funny, especially when you consider that the Dragoon and Ninja each died at some point in the boss fights.

    Thankfully, the Black-and-White Mage (um, Red Mage) was able to resurrect them. And most probably cast a Vercure or two along the way, along with the Warrior's Every-25-Second-Ability, Nascent Flash.

    My solution to the issue would be to either (1) eliminate Warriors as tanks in Normal Dungeons or (2) eliminate Nascent Flash in Normal Dungeons. Problem solved.
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  7. #117
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ayer2015 View Post
    I mean, content creators aren't exactly experts in video game design. People put far too much weight on what their opinions may be.
    I agree, the same is true of people on the forums.
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  9. #118
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    Quote Originally Posted by LianaThorne View Post
    I feel like this shouldn't be a hard subject tbh.

    Even if you're against the healer strike for whatever reason, it's still a commonly accepted practice for anyone reporting on a topic to do their due diligence in learning about it and speak on the facts, no?

    If CC's are twisting the subject to suit their bias or not reading the thread out of laziness or assumptions, frankly they shouldn't be taken as an official source on the matter. If enough people are bothered by it, push back against the CC's and show them they're incorrect. If they don't care, maybe that's a sign to not give them your time/money and find a more...worthwhile CC to support who actually does their research properly.
    You are literally acting like a CONTENT CREATOR...... creator...... CREATOR..... is a journalist. THEY ARE NOT. You are attempting to hold a person to a journalistic standard they have ZERO business being held to. They create content PURELY for entertainment and are going to swing whatever way the wind blows as a whole. I don't understand why so many people are trying to treat them like a CNN or CNBC news reporter that has some sort of responsibility to be unbiased and report facts. NO... their entire content exists for entertainment and they only espouse THEIR OWN OPINIONS. They can cover it anyway they want or ignore it all together.


    Edit to add. YES I know that even modern journalists are highly biased and slanted in their reporting and coverage. So holding some person with a charismatic personality that got lucky enough to have people like them to follow them online playing a video game to some sort of journalist standard is absolutely ridiculous.
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    Last edited by KitiaraIornsight; 06-22-2024 at 02:33 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Willemdarke View Post
    The "us vs them" thing started entirely by a small minority out of the larger healer strike movement.
    It's interesting how you are ignoring the log-shaming harassment encouraged by certain content creators.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eorzean_username View Post
    So just as one example of how much bafflingly-unintelligent hot-air these melodramatic responses are, just take this snippet from Sfia:

    (Slightly-distorted in sections, because I'm not taking time out of my day to actually transcribe this manually, just pulling it from YouTube Auto-CC)



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    (*looks at actual content of Healer Strike Thread and the back-and-forth conversations and summaries there*)

    (*sees all of these exact points addressed, directly, over and over again*)

    (*sees scores of Healers clearly-stating that the Xenos Media Tour stunt was just another straw on the camel's back, and not the sole issue in and of itself, but rather a succinct manifestation of many overall problems*)

    ...Right, so let me get this straight.

    Sfia's an educated and obviously-intelligent man, clearly capable of understanding this if he wanted to, or attempted to. But he obviously didn't.

    So if I'm understanding this correctly:
    1. Gemina's displeasure with her experience as Healer in what used to be "casual challenge" content is being derided as invalid, because she hasn't surveyed the entire game's spectrum of possible experiences.
    2. 4 slouching dudes in gaming chairs's displeasure with the Healer protest should be accepted as valid, despite the fact that they haven't even bothered to survey the entire thread's spectrum of arguments and explanations, or even understand what's actually being said.

    So, uhm, which is it?

    Someone needs to fully-explore and engage with something before they can be accepted as validly criticising it?

    Or it's actually okay to just skim the surface to save time, and then righteously go-off as if you fully-understand it?
    They are also manifestly contradicting themselves.

    https://x.com/FFsfia/status/1746335653187707325

    To a lot of these people, this is a pure ego trip. They don't care about the actual argument. They care about winning, or making the other "side" look dumb.

    It's why they will look up people's tomestone.gg, mock players for not clearing Savage, shame them and hope that their feedback never reaches the developers' years, while literally complaining about the exact, same design problems raised by the strike thread mere MINUTES later.
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    Last edited by HighlanderClone; 06-22-2024 at 06:26 AM.

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