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    Healer's Modern Identity

    Hello everyone,
    I love healing and I love FFXIV and after more than 10 years playing this game I think I have an idea of how to improve this role by moving this role more into Support role because Square Enix is moving other job to be more self sufficient by giving more tool to survive (not only Tanks).

    first we have to implement the following:
    • Improve all DPS survivability to be as equal to monk and summoner and not missing job identity
    • give other tank same tools as warrior
    • move some DPS role into support (i will explain shortly)

    let me explain.

    Currently we have 2 type of healers.

    1- Shielding : scholar, sage.
    2- Healing: White mage, astrologian.

    the current design is going like this:
    https://ibb.co/3SzXZRB


    80% to 85% healing and shielding and rest with utility and dps.

    why we need all that healing when warrior use equilibrium every 60 sec or blood whetting every 30 sec? we don't need this much of healing even in savage.

    My Idea is to move Scholar / white mage / astrologian / sage more and Bard / Dancer into one role and that is Support role with 3 playstyles:

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    Who the classes will be under DPS support?
    • DPS support. which is straight forward support can do more DMG than other supports but having the same utility.
      Who the classes will be under DPS support? more fitting under this role is white mage and sage.
    • Utility Support. which is specialized in give team consistent buffs and utilities (dmg buff, life steal, move speed, exc.).
      Who the classes will be under Utility support? in current design is Astrologian / Bard / Dancer but everything can change.

      I believe square Enix have the capability to make this type of support very interesting by implementing mudra system to astrologian and make it more interesting with cards like for example: imagine astrologian have to draw 4 cards. if you execute cards in specific order it will give specific buff.

      some people will not like that bard is support but let me explain:

      bard is moving more into support since existing and now is more support than ever.
      no one will like summoner support too but if we make bard more into support and we give another class to get level-up like summoner let's call it ranger

      Summoner is DPS but Scholar is Support.
      Ranger is DPS but Bard is Support.

    • Debuff Support. which is specialized in give enemies consistent Debuff (reduce damage, reduce haste, reduce crit, reduce defense).
      Who the classes will be under Debuff support? in current design is Scholar(Summoning different type of summons will give specific Debuff) is more fitting but everything can change.
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    Last edited by Tunda; 06-21-2024 at 01:27 AM.

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    By reducing healing and shielding to 50% instead of 80% to 85% and giving support (healers) new tools to play with will be more fun and actual clear identity.

    this is how new Support role will look like:
    https://ibb.co/6FXTh0s


    in this way we will have more room to add new Jobs
    DPS support: White mage / sage (2 other room left).
    Utility Support: Astrologian / Bard / Dancer (1 room left).
    Debuff Support: Scholar (3 room left).
    to be added in next expansions

    please let me know your opinion.
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    I ain't readin allat
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    Dear OP, would it not have been better to have posted this in the existing Healerstrike thread?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmund_Blackadder View Post
    Dear OP, would it not have been better to have posted this in the existing Healerstrike thread?
    He doesn't want it to get buried because the idea itself is bad and he knows it.
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    That won't happen, OP.

    If you think a vocal minority complains now about current state for healers, what do you think would happen if they'd remove healer as a role to merge them into a "support/debuff" role?
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    As they keep making Healing less important, turning the Healer role into Support wouldn't be the most unreasonable thing.

    Could start by giving every one of them a way to increase the party's DPS by giving both WHM and SGE something similar to Divination or Chain Stratagem, because of the game's focus on burst windows one of the most important things is being able to give the party more damage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainLagbeard View Post
    As they keep making Healing less important, turning the Healer role into Support wouldn't be the most unreasonable thing.

    Could start by giving every one of them a way to increase the party's DPS by giving both WHM and SGE something similar to Divination or Chain Stratagem, because of the game's focus on burst windows one of the most important things is being able to give the party more damage.
    I agree.. people have to understand healing isn't specific to healers anymore
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    If they can't even figure out a way to need basic healing, I doubt they'll find a way to need more complicated "debuff support".

    Also not sure why some people think they will drastically change the trinity after 11 years into the game.
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    Connor Whelan
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    As I said before I do love the idea of Bard being an actual support/healer. But unfortunately it would take far too much reworking of pretty much the entire system to make something like that happen. They would have to sacrifice like, an entire expansion worth of content for that kind of rework (probably)
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