Just another thread crying for Old pvp gear and mounts

[sindriiisgaming]

I'm a little curious.

What if the PvP rewards did make a comeback, maybe recurringly so, but with the same requirements to get them, through top PvP ranks.
Would the "No FOMO" people be happy to finally get the chance to get it, or would the complaints go from "No FOMO" into "Why only through PvP again? I can't get to top 100 so I'll never get it!"

I guess what I'm asking is; Would people who wish for PvP rewards to make a comeback be willing to put the same time and effort into obtaining them as they were originally?

There's no point in locking them behind rank 100 on the server Because just press reaper lb to win makes it completely trivial

[sindriiisgaming]

Yeah OK let's hand out top 100 rewards for free to people who can't even get into Crystal.

What about locking it behind alpha wolf? That's 5k cc wins and rn. The title is very underwhelming for all that work. It's also 1 of the top 2 rarest titles In the game. Only a small handful of people will ever see it through

[LianaThorne]

There's no point in locking them behind rank 100 on the server Because just press reaper lb to win makes it completely trivial

Is RPR LB that powerful? I don't think I've ever personally died to it as a RDM or SCH.

SAM LBs on the other hand...

[LianaThorne]

What about locking it behind alpha wolf? That's 5k cc wins and rn. The title is very underwhelming for all that work. It's also 1 of the top 2 rarest titles In the game. Only a small handful of people will ever see it through

Can I ask, why do you need the exact copy as people who actually were there for the event and put in the work for it? Are slightly edited versions that still keep the originals for the actual top 100 for Feast not good enough?

[LianaThorne]

I'm a little curious.

What if the PvP rewards did make a comeback, maybe recurringly so, but with the same requirements to get them, through top PvP ranks.
Would the "No FOMO" people be happy to finally get the chance to get it, or would the complaints go from "No FOMO" into "Why only through PvP again? I can't get to top 100 so I'll never get it!"

I guess what I'm asking is; Would people who wish for PvP rewards to make a comeback be willing to put the same time and effort into obtaining them as they were originally?

Only if Square figures out some way to not have bots involved and how to not have friends sabotage games for each other's progress. That's why Feast ultimately got so much hate and was removed, people were able to cheat in it easily.

Again, as much as I dislike what Feast represents, those who actually climbed the top 100 legitimately absolutely deserve a way to show that off.

[Cynric]

What about locking it behind alpha wolf? That's 5k cc wins and rn. The title is very underwhelming for all that work. It's also 1 of the top 2 rarest titles In the game. Only a small handful of people will ever see it through

Well, there are a lot of issues with choosing an existing achievement like Alpha Wolf. But Alpha wolf itself isn't really the huge achievement you think it is. Firstly, it's a grind achievement of 5000 wins, as a long term goal its great but this has existed for many years and there would be plenty of people who would automatically unlock rewards that participated in older seasons that didn't make top 100 ever or even hit Diamond. It was very easy back then to get 1000+ wins in a single season but never make it to Diamond/Top 100 if you weren't very good.

Also I've personally seen a lot of people who started during Endwalker PvP that already have Alpha wolf, which while kinda crazy shows that it's not super hard to get anymore.

The next issue with it is part of why it isn't super hard to get, You can just play casual for it. It counts both ranked and casual wins so someone could get 5000 wins by grinding casual and then obtain top 100 ranked gear. That's a bit unfair.

If you wanted some kind of comparable achievement maybe it would be 5000 Wins in Diamond Rank or Above in PvP or something like that, and even with that it still wouldn't be 100% the best as a compromise if it was the exact same item that we obtained.

But the way I envision an Achievement like this being is :

5000 Wins at Diamond or Above in Ranked gameplay unlocks a shop,

Then you can use commendation Crystals to buy the older items Undyeable/recolors or something + named replica.

This way people have a chance to earn it, it's a grind through ranked which helps ranked out, doesn't necessarily require top 100 but still requires a heavy investment, and allows people to unlock more gear, once unlocking the gear, it keeps ranked alive for those people by still requiring a currency to purchase it.

This might seem like a lot, but any compromise with the ranked gear would require ranked at the very least. You shouldn't be able to obtain ranked rewards by grinding casual matches in a different mode a few years later. It devalues the experience of the people who obtained the items before.

[Araxes]

We just had a thread like 2 Weeks ago.

I also own some of the unobtainable Items from the First Seasons of The Feast. Some points why i would not like that to happen:

As it was already said: PvP back then was entirely different and required a lot more work than todays Top 100 "rewards".
In Season 2 it was so hard to climb that Gold was enough to Get Top 100.
You had ALL your PvE skills + additional PvP skills wich required way more skill than Today.
It was said repeatedly that the old Feast Rewards will not come back by Yoshi P.

I did my top 100 as a Healer. Gods it was the most stressful thing i ever did and i played rated pvp in every MMO i ever played including WoW where i played in the high ratings at the time (2200+). Also made Emperor multiple times in ESO and Grand General in Aion even though those are different circumstances. Not a refugee btw, i arleady played FFXIV alongside WoW before HW came out.

I would only be okay with the rewards coming back if EVERYTHING that is no longer obtainable comes back. Yes that includes Promos from different countries and 1.0 Neck Tattoos.

[Karious]

Ah another thread where a handful of people go 'I got my exclusive item, no one else should have it ever.'

[Araxes]

Only if Square figures out some way to not have bots involved and how to not have friends sabotage games for each other's progress. That's why Feast ultimately got so much hate and was removed, people were able to cheat in it easily.

Teamed Feast was removed earlier than the normal Feast because of Win Trading yes and scarce participation. There were some win traders in the solo queue Feast too but it was a few individuals and not half the population as many like to portrait it. People just keep claiming that almost everybody cheated their way up to Top 100 to make their reasoning to demand the old rewards back seemingly legit. The reason so many people believe there was so much cheating in the Feast is the people spreading those lies and no one seems to question if that is actually true.

The Feast didn't have any Cheating the first Seasons, at least i never encountered one. If we would go by your Reasoning we would have needed to close down Crystal conflict day 2 after its release cause Cheats went so rampant that there were multiple videos showing it after a few days. I myself encountered multiple in the first weeks of Season 1.

What ultimately killed the Feast was that many just weren't willing to put in the work to earn those rewards and the lack of a ranking decay. Instead there were countless threads on how pvp is to hard and not accessible. So we had a Revamp that deleted the need for Gear, left you with 10 skills total and a bland, non thrilling, unsurprising Game mode that a toddler could play.

People still complained and managed to get multiple modes removed, unique pvp rewards removed alongside other restrictions.

What we have left now is a skeleton form of pvp people only play to get XP and maybe some Tomes that is being used by bored raiders to stack up DRK's in frontline to farm newbies close to their spawn base.

CC Seasons still die after a few weeks only that the rewards are worse so it only changed negatively. Frontline is a job-stacker theme park that 4 people can dominate because of the lack of job actions that would allow counterplay.
If that was the Goal of all the complainers then congrats. You got what you wanted.

[Len_]

I think what ultimately killed The Feast is the fact that you couldn't play it most of the time unless you dedicated your entire day to begging random people to queue up and rainbow. Also it's anecdotal of course but the only person I actually know with the coat in the OP win traded/cheated top 100, even got banned and still got the reward anyway.