THE STATE OF JOB DESIGN IN 2024 FF14

[Ayer2015]

I know it's too harsh for me to say this but i hope there will be a backlash so great that they will be forced to backtrack all of these horrible decisions.

its far too late unfortunately. The best we can hope for now is minor changes over 7.x with a revamp coming in 8.0. That said, I have little faith the devs are going to overhaul the jobs in any real substantive way even then. I hope they prove me wrong in 3 years

[KageTokage]

most of these are premade button consolidations (that you can unseperate) , its be the same as adding a button you use during your dmg up phase anyways, unless you want gnb to need two extra hotbars you crazy person

It doesn't change the fact that these abilities are boring and just things you're gonna be hitting on CD with very few exceptions.

The jobs need more core abilities that are being used in the filler rotation, but only BLM and SGE actually got those as far as I noticed.

[Supersnow845]

most of these are premade button consolidations (that you can unseperate) , its be the same as adding a button you use during your dmg up phase anyways, unless you want gnb to need two extra hotbars you crazy person



green mage isnt a "staple" job, green magic wasnt a thing till ff12, and even then most green magic spells were just classically the buff/debuff spells from white magic

I really don’t think “one button becomes the next button” was their problem

A button that follows your two minute burst whether fused on not is hilariously uninspired and does nothing to change any of the jobs in any meaningful way and they gave it to like 15 out of the 20 classes

[Raikai]

I really don’t think “one button becomes the next button” was their problem

A button that follows your two minute burst whether fused on not is hilariously uninspired and does nothing to change any of the jobs in any meaningful way and they gave it to like 15 out of the 20 classes

Exactly, almost none of those actions are anything other than just... plain damage. Not even an actual mechanic like an unlocked combo or stuff that interacts with the rest of your kit. Almost everything to me sounds like design bloat to inflate the number of things happening inside the 2min burst windows.

Poor SMN though, got to be the most egregious example of this, because the 'main feature' Solar Bahamut is literally just a cosmetic reskin because mechanically it's the same.

[Rolder50]

Exactly, almost none of those actions are anything other than just... plain damage. Not even an actual mechanic like an unlocked combo or stuff that interacts with the rest of your kit. Almost everything to me sounds like design bloat to inflate the number of things happening inside the 2min burst windows.

Poor SMN though, got to be the most egregious example of this, because the 'main feature' Solar Bahamut is literally just a cosmetic reskin because mechanically it's the same.

To me, it sounds more like they couldn't think of anything better to do so just went with ol tried and true "Add big attack after using a cooldown"

[Emitans]

I remember joking in Endwalker that they just gave every job a big laser (Shadowbringer, Blast Arrow, Chainsaw, etc) but this is literally just giving a big shiny AoE to every job and calling it a day. I think I'd rather them not make any changes at all than just copy paste the same skill onto every job.

[Hanayumi]

Huh... wait, why are people surprised? They gave ZERO indication there was going to be any sizable job changes for 7.0. This is SE for fuck sake, if theres a big change coming up soon they do not beat around the bush with it, you'll hear it 2-3 live letters out before it drops...

[Rolder50]

Huh... wait, why are people surprised? They gave ZERO indication there was going to be any sizable job changes for 7.0. This is SE for fuck sake, if theres a big change coming up soon they do not beat around the bush with it, you'll hear it 2-3 live letters out before it drops...

Personally I am not surprised at all, but it's still very disappointing.

[4clubbedace]

Huh... wait, why are people surprised? They gave ZERO indication there was going to be any sizable job changes for 7.0. This is SE for fuck sake, if theres a big change coming up soon they do not beat around the bush with it, you'll hear it 2-3 live letters out before it drops...

if they completely redone jobs like they did to mch and monk back in the day youd have peopel complainging about how its "not the job we liked anymore"

[Niroken]

To me, it sounds more like they couldn't think of anything better to do so just went with ol tried and true "Add big attack after using a cooldown"

Here I was hoping that we would get to the point where the chain of finishing moves would reach into the double digits.