The 7.0 Graphical update preview is an objective failure

[Embran]

For the large part, I see pretty much mostly positive opinions about the graphical updates. Reddit, Twitter, etc., basically anywhere except for the official forums — but then again, I can’t remember the last time the official forums was largely positive about anything. This is mostly where people go to air their grievances or ask for feedback.

I think the graphical changes are good. My character looks much nicer, and I feel like the lighting, the gear and the environments are a massive step forwards.

I do agree that there is still work they need to do addressing the changes that were made to some characters, such as eyebrows and lips being totally different, but I certainly disagree that it’s an objective failure. I think the eyes and skin need a touchup, but still a net improvement overall.

Anyway, I find this post odd, because you begin each part of your "objective" statement with "I believe" -- which just tells me you subconciously recognize this is a subjective statement.

I really wish the forum wouldn't use so much hyperbole when levying criticisms. All it does is make people defensive or offensive on both sides to make sure their hyperbole is the one that comes out on top. This is why each thread turns in to an argument by its second page lol.

[hymmeli]

For the large part, I see pretty much mostly positive opinions about the graphical updates. Reddit, Twitter, etc., basically anywhere except for the official forums — but then again, I can’t remember the last time the official forums was largely positive about anything. This is mostly where people go to air their grievances or ask for feedback.

I think the graphical changes are good. My character looks much nicer, and I feel like the lighting, the gear and the environments are a massive step forwards.

I do agree that there is still work they need to do addressing the changes that were made to some characters, such as eyebrows and lips being totally different, but I certainly disagree that it’s an objective failure. I think the eyes and skin need a touchup, but still a net improvement overall.

Anyway, I find this post odd, because you begin each part of your "objective" statement with "I believe" -- which just tells me you subconciously recognize this is a subjective statement.

I really wish the forum wouldn't use so much hyperbole when levying criticisms. All it does is make people defensive or offensive on both sides to make sure their hyperbole is the one that comes out on top. This is why each thread turns in to an argument by its second page lol.

I really do not know about reddit that much, but on twitter that is simply not true based on my own feed. That said, too, reddit and twitter are usually places for discussion amongst players. You'll find controversial debates about things like gameplay and similar there because that is something that is often discussed amongst peers. But we're talking about people and their opinions on the graphic update and how that has affected their character. No one cares what you (general you) think about how their character looks, but they do care about the results and Yoshida did promise that peoples characters wouldn't be greatly affected by the update which people have found for themselves is untrue. People know Yoshida, and the dev team, use the forums for feedback. It's not surprising that most of the negativity you're going to be seeing is on the forums which is one of the closest ways they can direct their feedback to the developers.

[Embran]

I really do not know about reddit that much, but on twitter that is simply not true based on my own feed. That said, too, reddit and twitter are usually places for discussion amongst players. You'll find controversial debates about things like gameplay and similar there because that is something that is often discussed amongst peers. But we're talking about people and their opinions on the graphic update and how that has affected their character. No one cares what you (general you) think about how their character looks, but they do care about the results and Yoshida did promise that peoples characters wouldn't be greatly affected by the update which people have found for themselves is untrue. People know Yoshida, and the dev team, use the forums for feedback. It's not surprising that most of the negativity you're going to be seeing is on the forums which is one of the closest ways they can direct their feedback to the developers.

Yeah -- which is why I said in my very own post that the reason you're seeing mostly negativity here is because that is what it is for, and why I went out of my way to say that people SHOULD be voicing their grievances and concerns, even if I personally don't have any because my character came out looking great. I will NEVER fault anyone for being upset about ANY aspect of the game. I just wish it didn't have to devolve in to petty arguments all the time, regardless of which side of the fence you stand on.

[hymmeli]

Yeah -- which is why I said in my very own post that the reason you're seeing mostly negativity here is because that is what it is for, and why I went out of my way to say that people SHOULD be voicing their grievances and concerns, even if I personally don't have any because my character came out looking great. I will NEVER fault anyone for being upset about ANY aspect of the game. I just wish it didn't have to devolve in to petty arguments all the time, regardless of which side of the fence you stand on.

I really do not mean to be rude, but you commented in this thread to the effect of "that is not true, other places no one is saying anything" (which was not true), so it does come across as you finding fault. Any "petty argument" I've seen, so far that I've seen at least so yeah I could be wrong too, has been people telling other people how to feel about the update so I can't really blame anyone for being defensive when someone is telling them how to feel about their character.

[Embran]

This I didn't know. Where did you learn about it?

From people who have ripped the benchmark models on Twitter. Not that it invalidates the concerns people have about eyes and mouths, but it does go some ways to explaining why they were hit so hard.

I really do not mean to be rude, but you commented in this thread to the effect of "that is not true, other places no one is saying anything" (which was not true), so it does come across as you finding fault. Any "petty argument" I've seen, so far that I've seen at least so yeah I could be wrong too, has been people telling other people how to feel about the update so I can't really blame anyone for being defensive when someone is telling them how to feel about their character.

I mean, you have people disregarding me for being happy with the changes in this very thread. It goes both ways.

But, for the record and the sake of my own sanity -- EVERY. SINGLE. COMPLAINT. is 100% valid. Nobody should be silenced or disregarded. Even if I disagree with you and find the changes to be great. My opinion is not more valid than anyone else's.

The only thing I am truly sick of is the hyperbole. All it does is create echo chambers and limit actual discussion.

I apologize, I actually didn't realize how much more conversation happened in this thread from what I initially saw. I'll admit that I wrote this a while ago without pressing enter and then went AFK to get a sandwich, so I'll take that L.

<3 it's all good, and I can understand why the kneejerk might have happened. There HAVE been rude people whose entire mindset is "well I like my character so idc what you think."

[hymmeli]

I mean, you have people disregarding me for being happy with the changes in this very thread. It goes both ways.

But, for the record and the sake of my own sanity -- EVERY. SINGLE. COMPLAINT. is 100% valid. Nobody should be silenced or disregarded. Even if I disagree with you and find the changes to be great. My opinion is not more valid than anyone else's.

The only thing I am truly sick of is the hyperbole. All it does is create echo chambers and limit actual discussion.

One wrong does not make a right, Embran. Sometimes it's simply better not to engage. Personally, I'm glad for you that you're happy with your character in the update. It's just really disappointing and people are sad so, yes, I can imagine some people lashing out in frustration towards people who express they are happy with results. That's why it's sometimes better to just not engage when it's something that is as emotionally charged as the topic is of people and their personal characters/WoLs right now.

[Embran]

One wrong does not make a right, Embran. Sometimes it's simply better not to engage. Personally, I'm glad for you that you're happy with your character in the update. It's just really disappointing and people are sad so, yes, I can imagine some people lashing out in frustration towards people who express they are happy with results. That's why it's sometimes better to just not engage when it's something that is as emotionally charged as the topic is of people and their personal characters/WoLs right now.

I'm genuinely confused where the disagreement is between us? We both agree that changes need to be made to the things people are unhappy about.

Can you point to where I told people how they should feel about their characters? Because I've said many times now many things need to be changed and that everyone's concerns are valid.

This is becoming a little too melodramatic for my tastes.