RP shout ads are obstructive to chat and gameplay

[Gordita]

Tbh even when there is 10 ads up for the same venue in party finder , it's nowhere near as bad as the current alternative. While I can see why people would take issue with it, I also can see why they sometimes do this. It's not always for the sake of filling the party finder with more ads, to drown out the others. Often times the people in my free company will copy/paste the venue ad into their own party finder and they set it while they go afk. This way , when another person returns from afk, they can take down their party finder listing, and resume gameplay or venue staff duties, etc. I can't speak for all venues or their reasons, and I know a lot of people enjoy being disruptive and hypersillylolol, but at the end of the day ... If you gotta scroll past a handful of ads when you're already scrolling past ads to find a spot that tickles your fancy, is that really that big of a deal?

[Ravenblade1979]

Tbh even when there is 10 ads up for the same venue in party finder , it's nowhere near as bad as the current alternative. While I can see why people would take issue with it, I also can see why they sometimes do this. It's not always for the sake of filling the party finder with more ads, to drown out the others. Often times the people in my free company will copy/paste the venue ad into their own party finder and they set it while they go afk. This way , when another person returns from afk, they can take down their party finder listing, and resume gameplay or venue staff duties, etc. I can't speak for all venues or their reasons, and I know a lot of people enjoy being disruptive and hypersillylolol, but at the end of the day ... If you gotta scroll past a handful of ads when you're already scrolling past ads to find a spot that tickles your fancy, is that really that big of a deal?

Anything more then 2 venue pf ads is sheer spam and you are not only looking like you desperate for people to stop by (which this has opposite effect and people avoid), it also literally drowns out other venues who might only have one ad.

There has to be a hard cap of 2...maybe 3 but that's pushing it. If you need more, your venue isn't worth the visit at all.

[Gordita]

Anything more then 2 venue pf ads is sheer spam and you are not only looking like you desperate for people to stop by (which this has opposite effect and people avoid), it also literally drowns out other venues who might only have one ad.

There has to be a hard cap of 2...maybe 3 but that's pushing it. If you need more, your venue isn't worth the visit at all.

Can always report the dupes I suppose , just need GM's to enforce stuff and people to be considerate of others. Big ask in this day and age apparently.

[Thurmnmurmn]

The major issue I see with setting a cap on advertiser's is that it would be super easy to grief. Say it's 2 advertiser's and any extra get chat restricted (as an example). As soon as the first one goes up someone else unrelated to the venue could make a second. Now the actual second advertiser's will be punished since someone else got to it first.
Not saying this would be common but any system that can be exploited by bad people isn't good.

I like the idea apkallu had about collapsing the messages. Take it a step further by combining multiposts as well (3 messages ads).

[Gordita]

The major issue I see with setting a cap on advertiser's is that it would be super easy to grief. Say it's 2 advertiser's and any extra get chat restricted (as an example). As soon as the first one goes up someone else unrelated to the venue could make a second. Now the actual second advertiser's will be punished since someone else got to it first.
Not saying this would be common but any system that can be exploited by bad people isn't good.

I like the idea apkallu had about collapsing the messages. Take it a step further by combining multiposts as well (3 messages ads).

I kinda like that idea too , but less for shout ads and more for some of the long winded explanations in novice network that I see sometimes, as that chat can get pretty busy sometimes with 200+ active players in it.

[AzhreiVahlok]

There is a blacklist. Just use it.


Cheers

wow what a dumb answer. The shouters get replaced regularly BECAUSE we blacklist them. or they make new alts. And have you ever sat there every month clearing 200 people off your blacklist one by one? >.<

[AzhreiVahlok]

This would be great advice if there were only enough room in the blacklist to accomodate a couple thousand shout runners. The topic isn't getting enough support in the forum for square to do anything, maybe people could head that way and show some support to make it a better and more enjoyable place for everone.

or be able to empty the blacklist with one click, or multiple selections.....

[AzhreiVahlok]

Quote Originally Posted by Gordita View Post
My thinking on it is that it wouldn't be just a simple rp channel that functions like a global chat, but something that could be posted in like say ... Once or twice per day, per service account. Obviously if it was a free for all channel to post ads in without limitations it would just be a huge mess of spam and drama, used as a global chat. That was clearly avoided here, with good reason. Alternative would be something similar to fellowships but expanded on, and promoted more for people to browse the different venues that update their boards.

They would just post their two ads per day on that board and go back to spamming PF and shouts. No amount of alternative means for their ads are going to stop the shout spam unless the GMs start banning people for it, which I don't see ever happening.

^what she said. The onyl way this would stop is if Yoshi addressed it again. TELL people to stick to party finder listings in Other like they're supposed to and stop shouting or they'll get suspended (and banned after 3 times or w/e). Ya individuals don't SPAM this crap.... but when ten different shouters start going every half hour....

[AzhreiVahlok]

Ignoring whatever you guys are going on about.
The issue with potentially making a seperate tab for venues is that venues are community created content. If they make a tab specifically for them, they would need a hard definition of what it is and I highly doubt they would do that since it's not them who made it. Since the definition is essentially open to the community's interpretation as it is right now.
And that's not counting the follow up of other communities wanting their own tab if venues get one.
I approve of how it is right now. All community created content falls into other.

Also you say ads are being spammed. I think SE would need to come out and say what constitutes as spam. Multiple people advertising different venues is not spam imo. The same person putting up their ad over and over again yes.

Dunno if anyone else suggested this cuz I'm not reading all pages of this but, you can just put your shout chat on a seperate tab.
That way you can just tab over whenever you wanna see the shouts.

And when u put your shout tab on a sep tab (or put everything ELSE on a seperate tab)... you miss things that might ACTUALLY be important like helping other people actually do or find things. That part i underlined in your post is the entire problem. It's not "spam" cause (aside from one person i saw all year posting like 3 times in 5 minutes) it's only one person. But then you add on the 15 other people that shout THEIR ad at the same time.... There have been quite a few times i happen to be in town and (being on console with a controller this is even more annoying to do) I'm talking with my FC and I have to tab to the chat box then scroll up to see what the hell someone just said cause 2 or 3 other people just shouted a damn ad. I could make the chat log full screen but then i can't really do other things. I could go to my "chat only tab" that has shout off, but then i might miss something and i usually don't remember to do it every damn time either... lol ONE person shouted a club ad in kugane the other day and like 15 people responded with something akin to "shut the hell up". lol... The majority dont' want this crap in their log. Whether there's "18+ connotations" or not. I can only imagine what new players think of the game these days when they're stuck in town for awhile... But like i said before, Yoshi would actually have to lay down the "law" again and tell people to keep it (the ads) out of chat for it to stop.

Edit: and i just thought of something else... When i'm not actually playng i stay at my FC's house or mine most of the time. I don't even want to SEE these damn ads. Which means i miss out on newbies asking for help or wanting to join an FC (seen the latter and invited said people a few times, but i'm rarely in town now cause i just hate this crap).

[AzhreiVahlok]

Quote Originally Posted by Gordita View Post
My FC venue was again very lively with a lot of guests these past two nights and they used no outside advertising or shout advertisement. They used only party finder, proving that shout ads aren't even needed to have a large number of people show up at your venue. Which makes it senseless obstruction. Completely unnecessary.

Good for you, no one asked though !

dude pull the stick out of your rear end... seriously...