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  1. #61
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    Quote Originally Posted by NekoMataMata View Post
    Trust me, it's not fun for anyone.

    The people who have fun doing this are lying to themselves, and to the rest of us. I assure you that I can find you or any other serious Fisher cursing their luck in a discord somewhere when the window closes and they realize that they're going to be spending 20+ hours to sometimes weeks waiting for it to open again so they can try again.

    Very, very few people genuinely enjoy that, and most people that say they do are saying it to gatekeep.
    That's cuz the enjoyment is in the dopamine you get once you get the fish. If it was easier to get you wouldn't get nearly as a good feeling.

    Just because you don't enjoy it doesn't mean everyone else thinks the same. I did it all in the past year and loved/missed it once I was done.
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  2. #62
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thurmnmurmn View Post
    That's cuz the enjoyment is in the dopamine you get once you get the fish. If it was easier to get you wouldn't get nearly as a good feeling.

    Just because you don't enjoy it doesn't mean everyone else thinks the same. I did it all in the past year and loved/missed it once I was done.
    No one's asking for it to be easier. People just don't like RNG.

    Peak gameplay isn't spinning a roulette to see if you get lucky. Also, I can screenshot half the current big fishing discord and show you just how miserable people are from the current system. Any system where people consider themselves jailed/freed upon completion is pretty bad.
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  3. #63
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    Quote Originally Posted by NekoMataMata View Post
    No one's asking for it to be easier. People just don't like RNG.

    Peak gameplay isn't spinning a roulette to see if you get lucky. Also, I can screenshot half the current big fishing discord and show you just how miserable people are from the current system. Any system where people consider themselves jailed/freed upon completion is pretty bad.
    Removing rng would make it easier. If all you needed was to fit the weather/time criterias then that's ez af.

    I also don't care if others aren't having fun with the system or not. I enjoy it and that's all I care about.
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  4. #64
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thurmnmurmn View Post
    Removing rng would make it easier. If all you needed was to fit the weather/time criterias then that's ez af.

    I also don't care if others aren't having fun with the system or not. I enjoy it and that's all I care about.
    Not our fault the system for fishing in this game is braindead easy. Adding RNG to something doesn't make it difficult though. It doesn't make it an accomplishment.

    Oh, and if you don't care about if others are having fun, maybe you should stick to single player games and avoid discourse about how other players engage the content. Just a thought.
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  5. #65
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    Quote Originally Posted by NekoMataMata View Post
    Not our fault the system for fishing in this game is braindead easy. Adding RNG to something doesn't make it difficult though. It doesn't make it an accomplishment.

    Oh, and if you don't care about if others are having fun, maybe you should stick to single player games and avoid discourse about how other players engage the content. Just a thought.
    If it wasn't an accomplishment then people wouldn't be impressed at the big fish title but that's still the case.

    What are you going on about? You came out spouting nonsense like "the people who have fun doing this are lying".
    I disagree, I'm having fun and also play with other fishers who enjoy the system.
    That's all I'm saying.
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  6. #66
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thurmnmurmn View Post
    If it wasn't an accomplishment then people wouldn't be impressed at the big fish title but that's still the case.

    What are you going on about? You came out spouting nonsense like "the people who have fun doing this are lying".
    I disagree, I'm having fun and also play with other fishers who enjoy the system.
    That's all I'm saying.
    Why are you engaging a blatant troll. Would someone sincerely open their argument with "Trust me, it's not fun for anyone." then immediately try and blame others for gatekeeping ("Very, very few people genuinely enjoy that, and most people that say they do are saying it to gatekeep.")
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  7. #67
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    Quote Originally Posted by NekoMataMata View Post
    Trust me, it's not fun for anyone.

    The people who have fun doing this are lying to themselves, and to the rest of us. I assure you that I can find you or any other serious Fisher cursing their luck in a discord somewhere when the window closes and they realize that they're going to be spending 20+ hours to sometimes weeks waiting for it to open again so they can try again.

    Very, very few people genuinely enjoy that, and most people that say they do are saying it to gatekeep.
    Exactly. The process itself isn't the fun part. It's catching the fish and overcoming the obstacles. And that's a great dopamine hit. But it's incredibly frustrating when the obstacle is just RNG. I'm a fishing enthusiast. It does cheapen the experience when you only succeeded this time versus another time because you got lucky this time. More player agency would enrich the experience.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ACE135 View Post
    Right, if it's not fun to you, there's no point in doing it. Others who have fun with it will do it.
    Not every aspect of the game is fun for every player. So do that what actually is fun to you.
    When the stars align and you catch that rare fish your response isn't "Man, this is amazingly fun". It's generally "Finally, I don't have to do that sh!t anymore"
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    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
    Other games expect basic competence, FFXIV is pleasantly surprised by it. Other games have toxic elitism. FFXIV has toxic casualism.[/LIST]

  10. #69
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deceptus View Post
    When the stars align and you catch that rare fish your response isn't "Man, this is amazingly fun". It's generally "Finally, I don't have to do that sh!t anymore"
    I felt that way about this savage tier too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deceptus View Post
    When the stars align and you catch that rare fish your response isn't "Man, this is amazingly fun". It's generally "Finally, I don't have to do that sh!t anymore"
    You could say this to everything. Grinding relics, leveling classes, decorating your house, doing extremes, savage, ultimate, roulettes etc. pp. And yet people do it.
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