Feedback: Feeling disappointed by 6.55's narrative, and thus unsure about Dawntrail

[Naraku_Diabolos]

You seem to forget that Wuk Lamat had heard of the WOL”s exploits with saving the world, and she’s asking us to help represent her for a chance at the throne. But befor the WOL can trust her, she wants to get to know you via going on a hunt and battling alongside you at the Isle of Haam to see your capabilities. Then she’s sure that you can help her and asks for your support. She does give a run down on what the governing body is and who are the applicable candidates for the throne for when her father retires. She makes it a point that she has good motives for wanting to lead her people.

I swear you guys just rush the story and don’t even read the dialogue. It’s not that hard to understand. The reason why Tural barely gets mentioned leading up to Patch 6.55 is because Tural was never the topic of discussion until Krile mentions it.

[Iscah]

Well obviously [we agree], or the expansion wouldn't happen.

There easily could have been a more cautious option in line with the approach that G'raha had just counselled us about – tell her outright that you have reservations about agreeing on such minimal information, so you're willing to come to Tural and assess the situation before committing to her cause.

[Jatoi]

I aggree having more than one patch of setup would have been very welcome. But people are over-reacting, there is other stuff that deserve more complaints I think.

To make something better for the future, critique should be welcomed. People saying that Wuk Lamat is the worst character ever are 100% without-a-doubt being dramatic, but my grievance is just pacing more than anything else. Because of G'raha's reticence, I had a bit of reassurance that the concept itself might be handled better.

[LilimoLimomo]

if the writers intend to portray it like a game then we may just have to go with it.

With respect, we don't have to go with anything. I can try to wring what good I can from the story at every turn and make the best of a bad situation, but if the story is bad or has meaningful flaws, those are worth discussing and critiquing. I've experienced the eloquent and well-realized stories that Final Fantasy 14 is capable of, and I know they're capable of far better than what I'm seeing in 6.55.

On a side note, Thancred and Urianger are also characters who have a good insight into things and a strong moral compass.

They have strong moral compasses, but their insight is imperfect. Both of these characters have multiple stories in their recent past regarding their insight and decisions being flawed and causing harm. Urianger openly admits this to you on the moon, and laments how he has a history of making decisions without exploring alternatives.

I cannot believe that they would be willing to participate in this contest on behalf of someone who should not be supported.

If they truly believe that they have found someone worth supporting, then the ethical thing to do would be to have an open discussion with the rest of the Scions about the matter. Thancred should have come out from behind his tree and been like, "Hey, before you commit to supporting this person, let me tell you what I know so that you can make an informed decision, because I think you should support this person instead." That's honest with us, his friends, and it has the potential to add more support to the candidate he thinks will do the best for a nation.

I feel like you're making a stretch from "honesty between friends regarding important matters" to "obligated to inform us of anything he hears". Doubly so when that would be a direct betrayal of Thancred's trust just to inform us of something that doesn't really change anything. Triply so when, again, he is our direct competitor in a contest, whatever you may think of the quality of the writing that set the contest up.

I get the impression that it might just be that we have different feelings about the ethics of eavesdropping. You don't spy on your friends, and if you find yourself in a situation where you're accidentally spying on them, you have two ethical options:

• remove yourself from the situation so you're no longer eavesdropping
• make your presence known

Thancred did neither.

Then when Urianger is informed of this information and how it was gained, he also has an ethical choice to make: keep it secret, or try to make it right. It's a simple thing for Urianger — a character with a lengthy history of giving unsolicited quasi-sagely advice — to impart some basic wisdom about spying on your friends and suggest that they remedy that inequity. But that did not happen.

Maybe that's due to the writer feeling differently than I do about the ethics of eavesdropping. But seeing how all of the Scions seem to be treating this matter of national/world-wide stability as a game, it seems equally likely that the writer just decided to ignore inconvenient aspects of these characters that would get in the way of the story they wanted to tell.

[Fortecael]

I'll pretend my WoL has said no and skip yawntrail. Simple as.

[Rayne6665]

I swear you guys just rush the story and don’t even read the dialogue.

Or maybe they skip the cutscenes and doesn't give a shit about the story quest lines.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Or maybe they skip the cutscenes and doesn't give a shit about the story quest lines.

If you're skipping cutscenes why do you care about the reasons of the trip to tural.

[Denji]

"people are overreacting"
i've been on these forums long enough that i can tell when a large portion of the community is upset about something going down and just about every single time square either fixes it or fleshes out stuff so it becomes less problematic; particularly when there's several threads discussing it.

people are allowed to complain. i will never understand why so many people feel the need to imagine that their most fav-fav game dev in the universe is in mortal danger from forum posters and they have to take an imaginary bullet for them. you can tell its entirely about them getting mad that the critique exists rather than the critique itself because if they liked it, they would have made a post in support of what's going on instead of butting heads with randos about it.

if you like it, go support it. don't just throw a fit because people are talking about how they don't like it.

[caffe_macchiato]

[INDENT]By the end of 6.55, Krile, Alphinaud, Alisaie, and the Warrior of Light have all pledged to make Wuk Lamat the leader of her nation, despite knowing:

• next to nothing about Tural, its people, and their needs
• next to nothing about Wuk Lamat, except that she seems unwilling to admit her own weaknesses
• nothing about Wuk Lamat's political platform and goals
• nothing about the 3 other contenders for the throne

It's so incredibly out of character for any member of the Scions to pledge allegiance to a near-stranger with so little understanding of the situation's context.

It is indeed "out of character", because their characters don't matter anymore. The Scions are not important (they've been all Flanderized), even Wuk is not important. Square Enix is important because they're losing revenue and need some new marketing gimmicks to recover funds from their failed mobile spin-offs. Dawntrail is filled with odd gimmicks that make no sense (the exoticism fetish, the talking animals, Wuk, Krile being a painter, etc.) so they can cram as many as possible in a 5-minute trailer. Along with the train wreck that was FF16, I have no idea what's going on with this company anymore, and apparently neither does the CEO.

Seriously, am I the only one who finds this out of character?

[NanaWiloh]

8rs later people decide to be politically correct for the sake of complaining.