Yoshi-P: "If you want more engaging content, go play Ultimate"

[SieyaM]

I'm pretty sure that people would probably be more willing to teach struggling healers if it mattered in the slightest. If your healer dies at 90% boss HP in a dungeon? The tank can solo that. If your healer plays badly in full party content? The other healer can soloheal. There's just no reason to teach healers who play badly and risk getting told off or reported.

It's been my experience that when people say they "offered friendly advice" what they actually did was insult the player then told them to unsub or go watch a guide. Then they wonder why they got reported.

[Supersnow845]

Exactly, if I’m running a WAR and my healer dies why do I care in the slightest, they are just a worse caster in my eyes, if we are in 8 man and the other healer is remotely competent half the time its better to leave them on the floor

Regardless the game is so easy at the casual level you can get by literally with the mantra of “I see cast bar I press medica 2” and this has always been possible, I don’t know how much more you can gut the experience of the role to cater to people who can’t even get as far as realising that the above mindset works in 99.9% of casual content

[Aravell]

It's been my experience that when people say they "offered friendly advice" what they actually did was insult the player then told them to unsub or go watch a guide. Then they wonder why they got reported.

I don't need to rely on anecdotes, I've seen friendly advice get turned down with vitriol. It does happen, whether you believe it or not.

[SieyaM]

I don't need to rely on anecdotes, I've seen friendly advice get turned down with vitriol. It does happen, whether you believe it or not.

But that's an anecdote, the only difference is that it is your own experience as opposed to mine. I have no more reason to believe that than you have to believe me.

[Sensui]

Curious how many people say the game is unengaging or too easy but are also using a 3rd party app to tell them what to do, Ultimates included.

[MagiusNecros]

Warrior should be nerfed in 7.0 and I'll be surprised if it isn't. It's got no business being the All-in-one Class with competent DPS, decent Tanking, and busted burst healing on command that makes Healing classes doubt their own existence.

[Supersnow845]

Regardless of whether the average advice given and the reply is in good faith or not it doesn’t change aravell’s point that right now healers are so useless in content they are required for that half the time it’s not even worth bothering to try to correct bad play on the healers part

I lean more towards the side that vitriol on both ends is overstated but ignoring advice is extremely common which is why I rarely bother to give it, especially when even if the healer takes my advice it rarely does much because again healers are completely useless

[Supersnow845]

Curious how many people say the game is unengaging or too easy but are also using a 3rd party app to tell them what to do, Ultimates included.

I don’t need Cactbot to tell me not to press medica 2 on every mechanic and stay out of the orange, the game isn’t that hard

[SieyaM]

Regardless of whether the average advice given and the reply is in good faith or not it doesn’t change aravell’s point that right now healers are so useless in content they are required for that half the time it’s not even worth bothering to try to correct bad play on the healers part

I lean more towards the side that vitriol on both ends is overstated but ignoring advice is extremely common which is why I rarely bother to give it, especially when even if the healer takes my advice it rarely does much because again healers are completely useless

DPS can also play incredibly poorly and in the end aren't needed to complete most things, it just takes quite a bit longer without them but they are hardly called useless. The point here being that most of the times healers do facilitate faster and more consistent clears of things and shouldn't be considered dead weight because it really gives the devs more excuses not to bother with them. Why care about improving healers if people are just going to run content without them anyway and don't care to worry how they play?

[Supersnow845]

DPS can also play incredibly poorly and in the end aren't needed to complete most things, it just takes quite a bit longer without them but they are hardly called useless. The point here being that most of the times healers do facilitate faster and more consistent clears of things and shouldn't be considered dead weight because it really gives the devs more excuses not to bother with them. Why care about improving healers if people are just going to run content without them anyway and don't care to worry how they play?

On the flip side isn’t the fact that healers are just there and people would run without them if the game allowed it indicative that healers are a mess and should be fixed

You don’t need a healer in 4 man content, 8 and 24 man only need 1 healer and even that one healer has far more tools than they need, why is it okay a role is being this neglected